Abuse Report
1 .  Thread's URL
2 .  Comment
3 .  Your Name
4 .  E-mail
    




User Name   Password
This is a support forum for those who have left
or are in the process of leaving fundamentalist Christianity

Current Forum Since June 2001


Views:24      Abuse Report

<<Previous ThreadNext Thread>>
Page 1 of 1    
Title: Perle resigns quietly
        
Author Comment
Drummond
| Move to Bottom
 
Author



Rank:none
Status:
Score: 0
Posts: 1566
From:
Registered: 03/03/2002
Time spent: 0 hours

(Date Posted:03/27/2003 06:04:04)

Perle resigns quietlyFormer Pentagon official Richard Perle resigns as key Rumsfeld adviser By Robert Burns, Associated Press, 3/27/2003 18:19 WASHINGTON (AP) Richard Perle, a former Reagan administration Pentagon official, resigned Thursday as chairman of the Defense Policy Board that is a key advisory arm for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. In a brief written statement, Rumsfeld thanked Perle for his service and made no mention of why Perle resigned. He said he had asked Perle to remain as a member of the board. ''He has been an excellent chairman and has led the Defense Policy Board during an important time in our history,'' Rumsfeld said. ''I should add that I have known Richard Perle for many years and know him to be a man of integrity and honor.'' Perle was an assistant secretary of defense during the Reagan administration. He took the advisory board chairman's post early in Rumsfeld's tenure. Perle became embroiled in a recent controversy stemming from a New Yorker magazine article that said he had lunch in January with controversial Saudi-born businessman Adnan Khashoggi and a Saudi industrialist. The industrialist, Harb Saleh Zuhair, was interested in investing in a venture capital firm, Trireme Partners, of which Perle is a managing partner. Nothing ever came of the lunch in Marseilles; no investment was made. But the New Yorker story, written by Seymour M. Hersh, suggested that Perle, a longtime critic of the Saudi regime, was inappropriately mixing business and politics. Perle called the report preposterous and ''monstrous.'' Perle, 61, was so strongly opposed to nuclear arms control agreements with the former Soviet Union during his days in the Reagan administration that he became known as ''the Prince of Darkness.''__________________ "Future events such as these will affect us in the future." -Line from Plan 9 from Outer SpaceReport this post to a moderatorIP:Logged03-27-200317:48DrummondWhite Trash SnobRegistered: Jul 2001 Location: Northern California Posts: 1431A Times Editorial Ignoring the generals Civilian ideologues in the Bush administration made optimistic assumptions about the war in Iraq that may have endangered our troops on the ground. ?St. Petersburg Times published March 26, 2003 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Perle is the guru of the civilian ideologues who are the architects of the Bush administration's Iraqi war plans. In the months leading up to war, Perle and his allies in the administration pressed for military action by painting a vividly optimistic scenario. Vice President Dick Cheney, a longtime associate of Perle, said American soldiers would be "greeted as liberators" by the people of Iraq. And Perle said most of Saddam Hussein's troops would surrender rather than fight, while Iraqi opponents of Hussein would lead an armed uprising to topple his regime with little or no help from U.S. forces. Perle, who serves as chairman of the Pentagon's advisory Defense Policy Board, envisioned before the war that U.S. forces would make "a much more modest effort" than in the 1991 Gulf War, needed only to "assist Iraqis in freeing their country." At times, Perle predicted that no U.S. ground forces would be required. At most, he said, only about 40,000 U.S. ground troops would be needed. Our political and military leaders say the early days of the ground war are going according to plan, but events clearly are not playing out as Perle and his civilian proteges predicted. U.S. forces have met stiff resistance in their advance toward Baghdad, and the civilian reaction to our troops' presence has been mixed at best. Meanwhile, the anticipated anti-Saddam insurgency within Iraq has not yet materialized on a significant scale. As a result, our ground forces have been left more vulnerable than necessary. Several of the military commanders of the first Gulf War say the current U.S. invasion force of a single heavy division is too small. "In my judgment," said retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey, who commanded the 24th Mechanized Infantry Division during the 1991 war, "there should have been a minimum of two heavy divisions and an armored cavalry regiment on the ground." Other veteran Gulf War commanders agree with McCaffrey, and their views are not mere second-guessing. Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, who commanded U.S. forces in the 1991 war, said months ago that he was "somewhat nervous at some of the pronouncements (Defense Secretary Donald) Rumsfeld has made." Schwarzkopf said he feared that Rumsfeld and his civilian advisers had "disregard(ed) the Army" in establishing their quick-strike plans. A cornerstone of American democracy is our tradition of civilian control over our armed forces. President Bush and other members of his administration, with the advice and consent of congressional leaders, are ultimately responsible for determining when and how our military forces will be deployed. That is as it should be. However, the lives of American soldiers are put at risk if our battlefield plans are based on the political assumptions of civilian ideologues instead of the expertise of our military leaders. Some of those ideologues within and outside the White House painted a scenario of an easy military victory in Iraq because it fit their broader political goals. Our military planning needs to be based on more clear-eyed calculations. All Americans hope that the war in Iraq can be concluded as quickly and successfully as possible, minimizing casualties among American troops and Iraqi civilians. If some of the assumptions on which our military plans were based have turned out to be flawed, our government should waste no time in changing plans accordingly and bolstering our forces in ways that can hasten military victory and serve our long-term security interests.__________________ "Future events such as these will affect us in the future." -Line from Plan 9 from Outer Space

--------------------------------------------------------------
From American Splendor

Student to Harvey Pekar: "It"s hard enough trying to convince people that socialism is a good thing without basing your argument on some abstract theory of human nature. Plato tried and failed. Fourier tried and failed. Marx tried and failed. Sartre tried and failed."

Harvey Pekar: "Well maybe I c"n learn from their mistakes."

haikupoet
| Move to Top | Move to Bottom
 
1#



Rank:none
Status:
Score:0
Posts:423
From:
Registered: 08/10/2002
Time spent: 0 hours


(Date Posted:03/27/2003 07:13:18)

Reply to : Drummond





Perle resigns quietlyFormer Pentagon official Richard Perle resigns as key Rumsfeld adviserBy Robert Burns, Associated Press, 3/27/2003 18:19WASHINGTON (AP) Richard Perle, a former Reagan administration Pentagon official, resigned Thursday as chairman of the Defense Policy Board that is a key advisory arm for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.In a brief written statement, Rumsfeld thanked Perle for his service and made








So, summing up:



Perle: Aw, crap. We can't do this the way we wanted to.

Rumsfeld: We're still doing okay...

Perle: Doesn't matter. You're on your own. Bye.



Yeah, right. From what I've heard about Rumsfeld, it was probably more like Rumsfeld ripped him a new one when we started getting bogged down and Perle skipped town, never to be trusted with Defense policy again... Nevertheless, good to see at least one of them go down. One can only hope someone finds pictures of Paul Wolfowitz, John Ashcroft, and a couple of naked statues, then we'd be a long way towards clearing up both military and civil messes...



/Brian

--------------------------------------------------------------
Trapped behind stained glass/It is hard to see how great/the world really is

Drummond
| Move to Top | Move to Bottom
 
2#



Rank:none
Status:
Score:0
Posts:1566
From:
Registered: 03/03/2002
Time spent: 0 hours


(Date Posted:03/27/2003 08:29:47)

It came over AP, but last I checked, the major news networks haven't really covered this.  You'd think it was at least moderately signficant news.

--------------------------------------------------------------
From American Splendor

Student to Harvey Pekar: "It"s hard enough trying to convince people that socialism is a good thing without basing your argument on some abstract theory of human nature. Plato tried and failed. Fourier tried and failed. Marx tried and failed. Sartre tried and failed."

Harvey Pekar: "Well maybe I c"n learn from their mistakes."

haikupoet
| Move to Top
 
3#



Rank:none
Status:
Score:0
Posts:423
From:
Registered: 08/10/2002
Time spent: 0 hours


(Date Posted:03/27/2003 18:44:03)

Reply to : Drummond





It came over AP, but last I checked, the major news networks haven't really covered this. You'd think it was at least moderately signficant news.








Of course not. It would be forcing the Bush Administration to admit that a) our defense policy is being run by extremist chickenhawk civilians and b) they don't know their ass from their elbow, and our soldiers are getting smacked around pretty bad (I won't say we're actually losing, because I don't think anyone knows that for a fact, certainly not the media) because of it.



/Brian

--------------------------------------------------------------
Trapped behind stained glass/It is hard to see how great/the world really is

 Welcome to The Collection of Flashlights!Wolf-eyes ,your eyes break the darkness!
Hop to: 
<<Previous ThreadNext Thread>>
Page 1 of 1    

Quick Reply
Topic:
Comment:
UBB CodeAllowed
HTML CodeAllowed
ImagesAllowed
Subscribe to this topic and be notified when it is replied to by email.     Allow signature     
WOW Gold   CD Keys   Buy WOW Gold   Shareware Free Download   Free Message Board  Flashlights  WOW CD key  RC helicopter  
Sign Up | Create | About Us | Site Map | Features | Forums | Show Off | FAQ | Support
Copyright © 2000-2008 Aimoo free forum All rights reserved.