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(Date Posted:08/24/2008 18:44:18)

typically the poor sheep is full of it.


IT took 11 days before an Adelaide pentecostal church exposed the details of pastor Michael Guglielmucci's fictitious battle with cancer.

Danny Guglielmucci, the father of the fallen pastor and founder of Edge Church International at Reynella, told his faithful followers yesterday the church went public at "our first opportunity".

The man at the centre of the scandal that has rocked the church, also spoke publicly for the first time yesterday. But his words only came in a written statement, which claimed the reason behind his fictitious cancer story was to hide his 16-year obsession with pornography.

"For over 16 years, I have struggled with an addiction to adult pornography. As a result of this secret life of sin my body would often break down," his confession began.

"Two years ago, I reported that I was suffering from cancer. The truth is that although I was ill, I did not have cancer but was again using the misdiagnosis to hide the lie that I was living."

The fallen preacher was a Christian superstar, who said God inspired his hit song Healer. The song became an anthem of faith for believers, many of whom donated money to the Guglielmucci cancer cause.

The church said it was unknown how much money had been raised deceptively through websites, preaching and song sales.

When asked by The Advertiser if he would go to the police, Danny Guglielmucci said he was seeking advice from church lawyers, but that an audit of accounts was taking place.

Danny Guglielmucci also said that the first he knew of his son's web of lies was on August 13. Three days later, a meeting of the national executive of the Australian Christian Churches was convened at which his son confessed because of a dream of Jesus on the cross looking down at him saying "the truth will set you free".

At that meeting, a strategy was decided including seeking medical and legal advice. Michael Guglielmucci also agreed to take part in one exclusive TV interview, to be shown tonight.

It was only after a brief email from Hillsong Church in Sydney, which produced the hit album featuring Healer, was obtained by The Advertiser last Wednesday that church followers were finally allowed to know that the cancer was a lie.

The reason for that lie – Michael Guglielmucci's addiction to pornography – was exposed yesterday.

Danny Guglielmucci stood before 1200 people packed into the former indoor cricket arena for forgiveness, but maintained that he and the church had acted ethically.

"I have led you with openness and integrity and declare that we have not lived a lie before you," he said, before receiving a rousing ovation.

Michael Guglielmucci remained in hiding yesterday and is receiving psychiatric help.

Despite the betrayal, forgiveness was the catchcry for an overwhelming majority of those at yesterday's service.

"Obviously it was the wrong thing to do, but I'm proud that he's come out and admitted it," said 18-year-old student Daniel Sutherland.

 http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24236206-5006301,00.html


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-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God

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RE:Guilt - sharing it around.
(Date Posted:08/25/2008 02:30:57)

What's wrong with the sheep's attitude? If they had hung him you'd be the first to shout at their un Christian act.

Forgiveness is the best they can do right now. The law should deal with the legal issues, and they should all seek to make sure wrongs are answered. I'm sure they will.

Personally I've never heard of the bloke.

People throw rocks all the time. The rock throwing is as bad as the crime.
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RE:Guilt - sharing it around.
(Date Posted:08/25/2008 05:04:30)

Using the same old guilt trip...Pornography 


 He is swapping one health condition - cancer for another christian defined 'illness' of porn addiction. I would guess he has been conditioned and brought up within this kind of complex and dysfunctional culture - which heavily relies on irrationality to explain the world. It seems its working for him to get out of a tricky situation and still get his 'fans' to pray for him. *sick*


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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God

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RE:Guilt - sharing it around.
(Date Posted:08/25/2008 14:49:56)

I would very much doubt that his community would have any trust in him at all after this. As it's so public he can't run away either. If there are fans who don't see the truth, then that's their error, and not his.

'Fanaticism' is always bad. Hence this site I thought.

Pornography is bad no matter how you look at it (there's a pun there :)). To look at a person as merely flesh robs them of sex. It robs the viewer of sex too.

Here's a great book: Sex God by Rob Bell
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RE:Guilt - sharing it around.
(Date Posted:08/26/2008 17:51:25)

Reply to Guest (08/25/2008 14:49:56)
I would very much doubt that his community would have any trust in him at all after this. As it's so public he can't run away either. If there are fans who don't see the truth, then that's their error, and not his.

'Fanaticism' is always bad. Hence this site I thought.

Pornography is bad no matter how you look at it (there's a pun there :)). To look at a person as merely flesh robs them of sex. It robs the viewer of sex too.

Here's a great book: Sex God by Rob Bell

The reported behaviour of 'his community' is more of the same...in that he is still the focus of their 'prayers' and remains a role model to them. An inspiration.

Here it is again...http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24212817-5006301,00.html
While many in the church were embarrassed by the betrayal, others showed support on Facebook, where a page titled "We are STILL praying for you Mike Guglielmucci" was set up yesterday.

And...I agree
It is their error ...but he and the office / role of  Pastor encourages that kind of  'trust'....blind obedience, submission and loyalty.  That's pretty much the general plan within christianity - the Shepard - the sheep.

Yes..'fanaticism' is a concern but I think 'fanaticism' is encouraged in some social systems ..particularly religious beliefs - blind faith. There's also imo..a connection in todays' (&  in the past) political climate  and particularly evident in the 'change you can believe in' Obama. That kind of emotional attachment is a worry to me  - when people say they 'trust' a politician, it become irrational thinking.

I don't agree with you that anything including Porn  is "always' BAD....... - That is illogical.  I think that is the way its defined by most christians. 
What is Pornography to me may not be so to you. I find violence as in the images evoked by the horror of a crucifiction on a cross as was custom to be unpalatable ....also the imagery of 'hell' and many such common symbols within christianity.
Lets not forget that what is inferred in discussions about Porn = MASTURBATION which is a 'normal' and natural part of an individuals sexuality.



Robbing people of intimacy can be also due to a focus on an imaginary friend rather than real live people...and spending too much time sitting on a pew waiting for 'god' to send them a partner..rather than getting experienced and practising relationship building skills.


"Book"...so here is an alternative to the the 'fallen' pastor ...a new Billy G. ? Am I supposed to have 'faith' in him too?

*laughs*...

there will always be a new Shepard to replace  ....its a good and lucrative job and provides 'job' satisfaction - rewards such as fame and fortune..............which is most likely what had poor Pastor MIke  (of this story)  is so hooked up in and addicted to. Not porn.


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Oh and one the main spin offs to stories such as these -  imo...they are used as marketing tools by other christain denominations to point fingers and SELL their version of the 'truth'.....

Bottom line...bums on pews and hefty donations to the 'cause'.



(Message edited by snakechic On 08/26/2008 18:02:09)

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God

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RE:Guilt - sharing it around.
(Date Posted:08/29/2008 05:57:58)

So that people can still show love to him, try to forgive him is a bad thing??? Why can't they pray for him?? That doesn't mean they accept or condone his actions - you are being an idiot !

You have no proof that they disregard his crime/s, so you should shut the hell up !

You talk such crap - YOU might think warped things about what xtianity is - but no one else has to be so misguided.

YOU are the fanatic - people on this forum are trying to get away from it - they don't want it handed out in spadefulls by you !

Masturbation does not = porn !!! How the hell do you think up the idea that it does ??? You're totally crazy.

Read the book - honestly - it's good. Not churchy or forced xtianity - just a good perspective on the issue. Don't judge it without looking at it. Oh sorry - that's what you do isn't it ?
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