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(Date Posted:04/13/2007 09:55:34)

I've long had criticism of the Positive Thinking people. I read a lot of this stuff when I was breaking out of evangelical Christianity, It's not that thinking positive is always bad; it's that you can't suppress legitimate feelings based on negativism, or force a positive outlook on a horrible situation. I also do not believe that you attract power and riches through positive thinking, nor the flip side: that you are responsible for drawingbad things into your life through negative thinking. I've heard of this DVD/book calledThe Secret, which is promoting the old Health and Wealth Gospel from a more New Age view. What do you think of it?I am thinking of writing a book called The Power of Negative Thinking. Subtitle: Let's Hear It For Hate. Yes, let's hear it for pure, undiluted loathing, for negativity, for black-eyed bile.I say this because I have just pored through the "book" that has thwacked Harry Potter into second place and sent The Da Vinci Code spinning back into its Vatican vault. The Secret - written by Australian reality TV producer Rhonda Byrne - has sold six million DVDs and books since it first sprouted a few months ago, even earning the recommendation of St Oprah of the Screaming Studios.In its slim 198 pages, it crystallises a sit-up-and-smile-right culture that is, in fact, making us all more miserable.The Secret boasts that it can change your life. On every page. At least three times. Byrne brags that she has uncovered the One True Law that guarantees success. "I began tracing the Secret back through history," she writes. "I couldn't believe all the people who knew this. They were the greatest people in history: Plato, Shakespeare, Newton..." and on and on.So what is this not-very secret Secret? It is the most extreme strain of positive thinking yet preached. In a desperate attempt to give it a scientific sheen, Byrne calls it "The Law of Attraction".You are, she says, like a giant transponder, sending signals out into the universe. "Thoughts are magnetic, and thoughts have a frequency." If you send out negative thoughts, you will attract negative things into your life. If you send out positive thoughts, positive things will come. "It is exactly like placing an order in a catalogue," she says. Exactly.If you want a mansion, you need to really, really picture a mansion, believe in it - and it will be yours. Ask, believe, receive. "The Universe will start to rearrange itself to make it happen for you... If you see it in your mind, you're going to hold it in your hand."If you plough enough positive thinking into something, it will "always" happen. As one "case study" in the book puts it, "I would visualise a parking space exactly where I wanted it, and 95 per cent of the time it would be there for me and I would just pull right in." Another "case study" is of a woman diagnosed with breast cancer who shunned medical treatment, pictured herself without breast cancer really, really hard - and the cancer vanished.By taking the cult of positive thinking, which stretches back to Norman Vincent Peale's famous book in the 1950s, to this barking extreme, The Secret reveals what was wrong with the idea all along: it instinctively blames all the people who falter or fail in life for their own misfortune.Look at the pressure always put on people diagnosed with cancer, who are entitled to be wailingly, howlingly depressed, to "stay positive". The American writer Barbara Ehrenreich wrote recently: "I hate hope. It was hammered into me constantly when I was being treated for breast cancer", and, she believes, it only places "an additional burden on the sick and aggrieved".The Secret takes this further, saying: "Our physiology creates disease to give us feedback, to let us know we have an unbalanced perspective, or we're not being loving and grateful." Ah, Aids - a sign of ingratitude. Cancer - a sign you don't love.The Secret takes this to its sick logical conclusion. Did the 9/11 victims "attract" Mohammed Atta? Did the Jews "attract" Auschwitz? Yes: "If people believe they can be in the wrong place at the wrong time, those thoughts can attract them to being in the wrong place at the wrong time."Bob Proctor, one of the "gurus" who features heavily in the book, was asked on the TV show Nightline whether the children of Darfur - currently being hunted down and murdered for being black - had been thinking negative thoughts that "manifested" in the Janjaweed. He replied, "I think the country probably has."The Secret isn't only a piece of charlatanry; it's a social barometer that reveals something sad about our psyches after 30 years of spiralling inequality and the collapse of political hope.The rise of self-help exactly coincides with the decline of faith in collective political solutions. You won't find an answer out there, through getting involved with the society you live in, it says. "I made a decision I would not watch the news or read newspapers any more, because it did not make me feel good," Byrne declares. She urges her readers to shun their friends if they become sick, because "you are inviting illness if you are listening to people talking about their illness".You shouldn't even look at fat people because that lets "fat thoughts" into your mind. (If you already looked at my byline picture - too late, fatso.)If it seems like a leap from The Secret to the ballot box, you just have to turn to the book's explicitly political pronouncements. "Why do you think that 1 per cent of the population earns around 96 per cent of the money that's being earned?" it asks.Massive tax cuts, markets rigged in the favour of the rich, the rise of a right-wing ideology? No, "the rich think thoughts of abundance and wealth, and they do not allow any contradictory thoughts to take root in their minds." And as for the poor, "the only reason any person does not have enough money is because they are blocking money from coming to them in their thoughts."The American self-help industry, inevitably drifting across the Atlantic, has always been a reactionary response to economic stresses beyond the control of citizens sitting at home alone. Since the 1950s, whenever there has been a sense of economic anxiety - and for most poor and middle-class Americans, the Bush years have been a time of declining relative incomes even as the super-rich soar off into the stratosphere - this industry has been there with a simple message: the problem is within you.One of the reasons Bush has got away with so much is that so many Americans have internalised the cruel myths of the self-help industry. I can't think of a sadder symbol of the Bush years than the news that the One God, One Thought Church is screening The Secret DVD to their housing counselling programme "to show people who feel hopeless that they can own a home". Don't create political pressure for cheap houses for Katrina refugees; just tell them to visualise it very, very hard.This is the real secret - that the book is a pure expression of Bushism: a slop of rancid aspiration-speak masking selfishness, social collapse and religiose myth-making.In place of this siren vision of self-help, let's help each other. In place of obsessively changing yourself, let's change the world. And in place of blithe, blind optimism, yes - let's hate.http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/12/469/

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(Date Posted:04/13/2007 09:55:35)

I've long had criticism of the Positive Thinking people.  I read a lot of this stuff when I was breaking out of evangelical Christianity,  It's not that thinking positive is always bad; it's that you can't suppress legitimate feelings based on negativism, or force a positive outlook on a horrible situation.  I also do not believe that you attract power and riches through positive thinking, nor the flip side: that you are responsible for drawing bad things into your life through negative thinking.  I've heard of this DVD/book called The Secret , which is promoting the old Health and Wealth Gospel from a more New Age view.  What do you think of it?


I am thinking of writing a book called The Power of Negative Thinking. Subtitle: Let's Hear It For Hate. Yes, let's hear it for pure, undiluted loathing, for negativity, for black-eyed bile.

I say this because I have just pored through the "book" that has thwacked Harry Potter into second place and sent The Da Vinci Code spinning back into its Vatican vault. The Secret - written by Australian reality TV producer Rhonda Byrne - has sold six million DVDs and books since it first sprouted a few months ago, even earning the recommendation of St Oprah of the Screaming Studios.

In its slim 198 pages, it crystallises a sit-up-and-smile-right culture that is, in fact, making us all more miserable.

The Secret boasts that it can change your life. On every page. At least three times. Byrne brags that she has uncovered the One True Law that guarantees success. "I began tracing the Secret back through history," she writes. "I couldn't believe all the people who knew this. They were the greatest people in history: Plato, Shakespeare, Newton..." and on and on.

So what is this not-very secret Secret? It is the most extreme strain of positive thinking yet preached. In a desperate attempt to give it a scientific sheen, Byrne calls it "The Law of Attraction".

You are, she says, like a giant transponder, sending signals out into the universe. "Thoughts are magnetic, and thoughts have a frequency." If you send out negative thoughts, you will attract negative things into your life. If you send out positive thoughts, positive things will come. "It is exactly like placing an order in a catalogue," she says. Exactly.

If you want a mansion, you need to really, really picture a mansion, believe in it - and it will be yours. Ask, believe, receive. "The Universe will start to rearrange itself to make it happen for you... If you see it in your mind, you're going to hold it in your hand."

If you plough enough positive thinking into something, it will "always" happen. As one "case study" in the book puts it, "I would visualise a parking space exactly where I wanted it, and 95 per cent of the time it would be there for me and I would just pull right in." Another "case study" is of a woman diagnosed with breast cancer who shunned medical treatment, pictured herself without breast cancer really, really hard - and the cancer vanished.

By taking the cult of positive thinking, which stretches back to Norman Vincent Peale's famous book in the 1950s, to this barking extreme, The Secret reveals what was wrong with the idea all along: it instinctively blames all the people who falter or fail in life for their own misfortune.

Look at the pressure always put on people diagnosed with cancer, who are entitled to be wailingly, howlingly depressed, to "stay positive". The American writer Barbara Ehrenreich wrote recently: "I hate hope. It was hammered into me constantly when I was being treated for breast cancer", and, she believes, it only places "an additional burden on the sick and aggrieved".

The Secret takes this further, saying: "Our physiology creates disease to give us feedback, to let us know we have an unbalanced perspective, or we're not being loving and grateful." Ah, Aids - a sign of ingratitude. Cancer - a sign you don't love.

The Secret takes this to its sick logical conclusion. Did the 9/11 victims "attract" Mohammed Atta? Did the Jews "attract" Auschwitz? Yes: "If people believe they can be in the wrong place at the wrong time, those thoughts can attract them to being in the wrong place at the wrong time."

Bob Proctor, one of the "gurus" who features heavily in the book, was asked on the TV show Nightline whether the children of Darfur - currently being hunted down and murdered for being black - had been thinking negative thoughts that "manifested" in the Janjaweed. He replied, "I think the country probably has."

The Secret isn't only a piece of charlatanry; it's a social barometer that reveals something sad about our psyches after 30 years of spiralling inequality and the collapse of political hope.

The rise of self-help exactly coincides with the decline of faith in collective political solutions. You won't find an answer out there, through getting involved with the society you live in, it says. "I made a decision I would not watch the news or read newspapers any more, because it did not make me feel good," Byrne declares. She urges her readers to shun their friends if they become sick, because "you are inviting illness if you are listening to people talking about their illness".

You shouldn't even look at fat people because that lets "fat thoughts" into your mind. (If you already looked at my byline picture - too late, fatso.)

If it seems like a leap from The Secret to the ballot box, you just have to turn to the book's explicitly political pronouncements. "Why do you think that 1 per cent of the population earns around 96 per cent of the money that's being earned?" it asks.

Massive tax cuts, markets rigged in the favour of the rich, the rise of a right-wing ideology? No, "the rich think thoughts of abundance and wealth, and they do not allow any contradictory thoughts to take root in their minds." And as for the poor, "the only reason any person does not have enough money is because they are blocking money from coming to them in their thoughts."

The American self-help industry, inevitably drifting across the Atlantic, has always been a reactionary response to economic stresses beyond the control of citizens sitting at home alone. Since the 1950s, whenever there has been a sense of economic anxiety - and for most poor and middle-class Americans, the Bush years have been a time of declining relative incomes even as the super-rich soar off into the stratosphere - this industry has been there with a simple message: the problem is within you.

One of the reasons Bush has got away with so much is that so many Americans have internalised the cruel myths of the self-help industry. I can't think of a sadder symbol of the Bush years than the news that the One God, One Thought Church is screening The Secret DVD to their housing counselling programme "to show people who feel hopeless that they can own a home". Don't create political pressure for cheap houses for Katrina refugees; just tell them to visualise it very, very hard.

This is the real secret - that the book is a pure expression of Bushism: a slop of rancid aspiration-speak masking selfishness, social collapse and religiose myth-making.

In place of this siren vision of self-help, let's help each other. In place of obsessively changing yourself, let's change the world. And in place of blithe, blind optimism, yes - let's hate.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/12/469/

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(Date Posted:04/13/2007 18:45:37)

This is a very interesting topic. It's where the new age self help movement meets right wing fundamentalist christianity. I've seen the film 'The Secret' on DVD when I was on holiday camping on an organic farm last summer though people kept walking in and disturbing my flow of concentration as there was no sign on the door. I agree with the message to a point but not fully. Positive thinking can affect slightly how people can react to you but as they have their agendas too it's not certain. It depends on how susceptible they are. Postive thinking can give you motivation to get started and try and try again but it won't move mountains and it won't affect the weather. It can give you extra years if you get cancer though but that's on top of healthy eating and medical treatment.

You can make the world a better place by looking after yourself better (others might be inspired and follow) but there needs to be a certain amount of campaigning and charity as well. There can be too much of the me, me, me at the expense of other people but on the other hand you can lose yourself in good works and campaigning as I did forgetting to look after your own needs. It's about achieving balance. Steve Charter in his book 'Eating in the Raw' put it the best way when he wrote that no more than a third of your time working should be spent on campaigning; at least two thirds is to be left to creating (either stuff for yourself or for other people) which I totally agree with. Too many charities are focused on campaigning, marketing, raising awareness and fund raising and forgetting what they started up in the first place which is actually helping people. Some of them are little more than lobbying organisations.

It's interesting about the smiling for the sake of smiling which is something I'm expected to do a lot. One of the reasons why I chose to live alone is that once I'm home I can smile or frown as much as I like. I can also pull silly faces as much as I like. It's hard work putting on a false smile and I only do it for special occasions. In my long term voluntary job I was expected to put on a positive mental attitude when going out on locality events which I found difficult as my needs weren't be met (I don't travel very well and need rest breaks on journeys and time out to be alone when I'm staying away) and I was expected to do something quite difficult such as talk to very drugged up and severely mentally ill people in day centres to get them to join a users' organisation even though membership was free. It was hard to talk to these people. People in the day centres in the city where I live seem much livelier.

'The Secret' doesn't actually work as there are limited resources in the world but more efficiency of the use of those resources and a more equal sharing of those resources should be aimed at. Wishing can get you the things that are almost within reach but it doesn't get you the impossible or anything without working or hunting down for it. The emphasis is on material wealth, though the message on personal responisibility is postive, and says nothing about social responsibility. I much prefer the film 'What The Bleep Do We Know'.
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(Date Posted:04/14/2007 14:12:05)

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You are, she says, like a giant transponder, sending signals out into the universe. "Thoughts are magnetic, and thoughts have a frequency." If you send out negative thoughts, you will attract negative things into your life. If you send out positive thoughts, positive things will come. "It is exactly like placing an order in a catalogue," she says. Exactly.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but does not  the laws of magnetism show that opposites attract?  Does that not mean that negative thoughts should attract positive ones and vice versa?  I've seen the Secret and so much of it is IMHO gobbeldy gock, it promises so much .. except all the onus is in you and there is this underlying guilt trip.  It is insinuated that if one has not succeeded in life it is one's own fault.  Nothing to do with social and economic inequity it shifts the blame onto the victims.

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(Date Posted:04/15/2007 00:50:18)

yeah...it crap! Mumbo Jumbo..!

Whats the difference between.....wishful thinking...& positivethinking?  Phiffle!

Shit happens!......................no matter what the fuck ya thinking.....!  You can hardly 'control' what your neighbour or partner is doing...let alone an act of nature such as cyclones/floods/volcano's...etc etc...

I think rather than sit around and read books about it......go outside and practise some interaction with others...find out how to be in the world -!

The 'self help' industry is full of very piss poor ideas.......How many millions of books are on the market that are written by JoeBLow' or Aunty Norma.. a reality TV producer....or some individual who believes they have found the 'answer' to their pitiful lives and want to share it. BOring.......!

As well as "blame the victim'.......I think the whole thing sets up the individual to feel 'special'.....'powerful'.....The books appeal is to the 'ego'...The 'must have' generation. change yourself with every designer collection of the season.. - hence the sales.

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(Date Posted:04/15/2007 10:30:25)

Several years ago when I first became too sick to work I read quite a few self help books in order to find some answers and some alternative thinking to what was around me. A lot were pretty dire but most had something valuable in them as well as irrelevant or extreme one-sided stuff. I read enough to gain plenty of ideas from which to pick and choose and I enjoyed reading them so much I had the dream of becoming a reviewer of self help books. It's hard to find a book that is balanced. So many of them are hung up on one idea.

I bought one book on decluttering which was pretty extreme and anti-possessions. I felt inadequate after reading the book and trying to put it into practice as I couldn't declutter as much as was advocated in the book. Good job too as I wouldn't have had many possessions left. But it contained food for thought.
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(Date Posted:04/15/2007 20:32:02)

Yes, The Secret is all a bunch of new-age claptrap, but I do know that thinking in an excessively negative way can exacerbate depression. I am a counselor who works with depressed people, and there is something of a "self-fulfilling prophecy" aspect to both negative and positive thinking. However, the new-age mystics push it way too far. Your thoughts do affect your own moods, but they don't send "vibes" out into the universe. The notion that the children in Darfur are to be blamed for what is happening to them is just sick.

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(Date Posted:04/15/2007 21:34:53)

I couldn't agree more with that last post. The Secret works best for well off people in a capitalist country that is free from conflict. I cannot see it working in a communist country though where every deed is more of less controlled by the state.
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(Date Posted:04/16/2007 00:15:02)

How does anyone know that "Secrets" works at all? ....by the sale figures? eh...that's  all its about imo.

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God

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(Date Posted:04/16/2007 12:54:41)

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yeah...it crap! Mumbo Jumbo..!Whats the difference between.....wishful thinking...& positivethinking? Phiffle!Shit happens!......................no matter what the fuck ya thinking.....! You can hardly 'control' what your neighbour or partner is doing...let alone an act of nature such as cyclones/floods/volcano's...etc etc...I think rather than sit around and read books about it......go outside and practise some interaction with others...find out how to be in the world -!The 'self help' industry is full ofvery pisspoor ideas.......How many millions of books are on the market that are written by JoeBLow' or Aunty Norma.. a reality TV producer....or some individual who believes they have found the 'answe





I was all go for this 'what the bleep do we know' and 'the secret' crap for a while. Some of it is common sense... Being positive and smiling and stuff looks far better to others than grumpy bloody Oscar the grouch, but these positive thinker Tony Robbins types smile as sickeningly fake as the Billy Graham types.

Heck, one of those 'bleep' docos had a guy with a 'positivity' reading machine that measured the world's positivity? When things like sept 11 happened, the random number generating machine apparently fluctuated. Oh come on, give me a break. My crap meter is fluctuating wildly at that one.

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(Date Posted:04/16/2007 17:23:31)

There has been studies on road rage and air rage and it was found that people were being so optimistic that they hadn't built in enough time when planning a journey including the ones they make to work. If you expect hold ups on the road and traffic congestion you will leave home earlier and will arrive at your destination early if the roads are clear and on time if there are hold ups. On the other hand expecting niggles such as can sometimes prevent people from getting out of bed and getting on with their day. Optimism can be a force for good as well as bad. I often think this will happen and that happen when planning an evening out and then end up not going out. On the other hand when I do eventually force myself to go out and what I dreaded happening happens then I'm all prepared for it.
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