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(Date Posted:10/18/2004 00:03:10)
However, I would like to ask those who find my scripture posts objectionable, did not Christ himself "walk away" from the Jewish "fundies" of his day? Why, then, is Christ not more respected here among you?
Whether he did or didn't is a matter of sheer speculation. The only evidence to buttress the foregoing viewpoint is the uncorroborated writings of a handful of anonymous authors of dubious credibility - and calling these writings "scripture" lends no further credence to the preposterous views propounded therein. Christ may not be the problem with christianity today. The problem with christianity has its roots in the ill advised decision to deify a mythological god-man and to "canonise" the writings of a handful of misguided zealots. The New Testament is an interesting anthology, but only has value once one realises that it is but the musings of a group of deluded men who mistook their rather fertile imagination for the voice of some almighty god.
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Reply to : Saintward
In my opinion, all of Christ's words, and the entire New Testament in fact, which are full of so much hope and compassion and truth, are great medicine for those who have been poisoned by religion.
Hope:
Matthew 8:12 - But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 13:42 - And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 13:50 - And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 22:13 - Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 24:51 - And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 25:30 - And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Luke 13:28 - There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Compassion:
Mark 7:27 - But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
Matthew 17:17 - Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you?
Matthew 25:30 - And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth
Luke 3:17 - Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable
the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Truth:
Matthew 24:34 - Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Didn't come true
Mark 13:30 - Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. Still not true...
Luke 21:32 - Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Even still, even though promised in 3 different gospels, it didn't come to pass. therefore a lie, an UN-TRUTH
There is more, I have work to do, so I call upon the demonic hordes of my fellow apostate forum members who maay have time this evening to throw you a whole concordance of scriptural proof of your fallacious comment here.
I do hope that none of you here have thrown away the "baby" (of Bethlehem) with the "bathwater" (of religious hypocrisy).
The baby had to go because it was a monster.
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Aha, it does speak! There really is something besides a spam bot creating posts! This may come as a surprise to you but there's an almost constant stream of new arrivals that join us with the intention of straigtening us out. I'll grant that your posts aren't as obnoxious as so many other have; I have yet to see any threats of hellfire for example. At the same I still feel as if I've been propsitioned by a Jehovah's Witness who has tried to hand off a copy of the Watchtower to me. As I understand it, Walk Away is intended as a refuge from from preaching "the word." If anyone wants your kind of message, all they have to do is go to the nearest church, switch on TBN, tune their radio to the right frequency, or go to the bookstore and buy some books in the relgious section. Our entire culture is saturated with religios messages and what I'm trying maintain with Walk Away is a refuge away from that. You might start to understand why the some of us react so strongly is if you imagined what it would be like if some Satanists insisted on sticking pamphlets under the windshield wipers of your car and kept knocking on your door trying to get you to join their religion. If you really want to get my attention, come up with some cold hard proof that all those Bible you've been flinging at us are anything worth valuing than, say, the writings of Frederick Nietzsche. In other words, without proof the Bible is more than just a human construct, I have no reason to give it's teaching any credence. No proof, no belief.
However, I would like to ask those who find my scripture posts objectionable, did not Christ himself "walk away" from the Jewish "fundies" of his day?
I think it's pretty obvious why the Pharisees objected so strongly to Jesus: he really did do away with the law and the prophets as defined in the Old Testament. You can see how good a job he did. When was the last time you sacrificed an animal to atone for your sins?
Didn't Jesus spend three years pointing out the errors of the Pharisees and the Scribes, who in their limited understanding of God had made an idol of their traditions and laws, before they killed him?
Didn't god mean anything at all when he "wrote" the Old Testament? Why was it so botched up that god had to write a new testament? I really get tired of these "the OT wasn't a good idea" kind of arguments because it makes the god you believe in out to be a bumbling fool.
I do hope that none of you here have thrown away the "baby" (of Bethlehem) with the "bathwater" (of religious hypocrisy).
All you have to is look in the bathwater and find out if there's a baby in it, so to speak. If there's no baby in there then certainly there's no reason to save anything and it all can be dumped. I'm certainly not ready to ban you yet. I'd rather you stick around and see if you can learn something. Once again: no proof, no belief. You've got a tough problem and a tough crowd here.
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Zombies, Unicorns, Devils, Sea Monsters, Satyrs, Dragons, Six Winged Angels, Gods, Demons, Witches, Astrologers, A walking & talking snake, Magical fruit, Talking donkeys, human headed six-winged beasts, Ghosts. All that stuff is in the Bible and yet they tell me it"s not mythology?
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(Date Posted:10/18/2004 08:20:25)
Reply to : Saintward
I don't mind being ridiculed personally, if that's what it takes to share my scripture posts with those here who may somehow find them useful (even if for "venting").
No. No no no no no NO! Absolutely NOT! You do not get to spam this forum, copy and paste rather than contribute to the community, blatantly violate forum rules regarding proselytizing, and then claim your own personal martyrdom. NO! Fellow forum members, wasn't this type of behaviour one of the distasteful aspects of evangelicals and fundamentalists? Break the explicit rules, violate implicit socially acceptable conduct, force entry into unwelcome areas, and then claim "poor me" when called on it. Saintward, you might be a very nice person, but your online behaviour speaks otherwise. This is a forum for people leaving fundamentalist Christianity. Be a part of the community, its implicit and explicit mores, and its support of walking away from fundamentalist Christianity, or ship out.
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(Date Posted:10/18/2004 11:30:34)
Reply to : brakthepoet
Fellow forum members, wasn't this type of behaviour one of the distasteful aspects of evangelicals and fundamentalists? Break the explicit rules, violate implicit socially acceptable conduct, force entry into unwelcome areas, and then claim "poor me" when called on it.
bingo.
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oooooooo...lookie here...i can copy 'n paste stuff, too!!
"Without the wonderful element of doubt, the doorway through which truth passes would be tightly shut. [...] Now is the time for doubt! The bubble of falsehood is bursting and its sound is the roar of the world!" - The Satanic Bible, Book of Lucifer introduction.
"I question all things. As I stand before the festering and varnished facades of your haughtiest moral dogmas, I write thereon in letters of blazing scorn: Lo and behold; all this is fraud!" - The Satanic Bible: The Book of Satan 2:1.
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(Date Posted:10/19/2004 01:37:06)
"...there's an almost constant stream of new arrivals that join us with the intention of straigtening us out."
"We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God." (2nd Corinthians 5:20)
~~~ 2nd Corinthians 5 (NIV) ~~~
17. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!
18. All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
19. that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
20. We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God.
21. God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.
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Holiness is evidence of God's life in our spirits.
Goodness is evidence of God's life in our hearts.
Beauty is evidence of God's life in our bodies.
Truth is evidence of God's life in our minds.
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(Date Posted:10/19/2004 07:42:56)
Holiness is evidence of God's life in our spirits.
Holiness is no such evidence.
Goodness is evidence of God's life in our hearts.
Goodness is not evidence of God's life in our hearts.
Beauty is evidence of God's life in our bodies.
Beauty is not evidence of anything even remotely related to God's life in our bodies.
Truth is evidence of God's life in our minds.
Truth is not evidence of God's life in our minds.
Tennis, anyone? 
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