I would suggest that the mods move this thread to The Lion's Den.

To Amisk and Goofy1:  Christians who are ex-fundamentalists are welcome to participate, but as you two seem to hold onto the belief of the Bible being divine, and are pressing us to accept it as such, I suspect you are still fundamentalists even if you don't call yourselves that.  Proselytizing is not allowed on these boards.  It's especially troubling to read Bill Booth's revelation that you've plotted to come here.  If we showed up en mass at your forum, how quickly would we be banned?  

When I became a Christian at the age of 25, I considered myself evangelical (I attended a holiness church, so I was probably in similar circumstances to you Salvation Army types) but NOT a fundamentalist, as I viewed fundies as having strict external rules and controls (dress codes, hair codes, etc.).  Only after I reawakened my mind and reevaluated the reasons I converted in the first place, and started questioning what I was taught and why I believed, did I realize that I WAS a fundamentalist.  I was horrified at what I had become.  So, no thank you, for your useless prayers and weak attempts to pull us back to what you think is The Truth.  I won't make the same mistake again.

Having said all of that, I will admit that there is nothing wrong with proper Bible study, as long as you look at it for what it truly is; a book written by multiple authors, over many years, chosen and put together by the vote of a committee which had political reasons for the types of writing they included.  To study the Bible seriously (not superstitiously) you have to take into account the time every book (or even sections of books) were written, what was going on historically/politically/socially at the time to influence it, who wrote the book or sections thereof, and what was their standing in relation to the history/politics/social conditions of the time they were writing, what power structures were in place that influenced the writing...much more to take into consideration that the fundamentalist "God said it, I believe it, that settles it!" standpoint.  I've seriously thought of picking up a copy of Asimov's Guide to the Bible  as a good study guide.  Also have considered buying a copy of The Talmud with study notes, as I feel studying the Old Testement from a Jewish viewpoint could throw a different light on those books other than how modern evangelicalism has interpreted them. 

Bill Booth:   You can edit your post to remove Goofy1's real name.  Just find the post in question, and click on the pencil symbol in the lineup at the right top corner of the post to pull up the post copy, then delete the name.

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I would suggest that the mods move this thread to The Lion's Den.To Amisk and Goofy1: Christians who are ex-fundamentalists are welcome to participate, but as you two seem to hold onto the belief of the Bible being divine, and are pressing us to accept it as such, I suspect you are still fundamentalists even if you don't call yourselves that. Proselytizing is not allowed on these boards. It's especially troubling to read Bill Booth's revelation that you've plotted to come here. If we showed up en mass at your forum, how quickly would we be banned?When I became a Christian at the age of 25, I considered myself evangelical (I attended a holiness church, so I was probably in similar circumstances to you Salvation Army types) but NOT a fundamentalist, as I viewed fundies as having strict external rules and controls (dre

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I appreciate the attempt you have made at bringing some kind of rational comment to my venturing here at the request of a "brother" (Christian term). I did not come here with malice in my heart nor to cause a disturbance but instead to try and share what I have come to know and learn over my life time. I would also thank you for your sharing your experience in the world of Christianity, I am sorry you did not find what you were seeking.

If you do not wish for me to participate here in the future, I understand, but before I go, if that is your desire, I would like to share the following as a departing word:

I was born in ffice:smarttags" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Hollywood California, raised to be a child star, taught to be all a Miss America should be and enjoyed the life at first as a member of the Screen Actors Guild and all the perks. At the same time I was raised in a Baptist and Foursquare church and felt the conflict between the two lives I was raised in. I accepted the Lord into my heart at a very early age and was blessed to read the Bible over and over again while growing up. To shorten this lengthy story, I met my husband in church while auditioning for a Gospel group known as Chara. My husband was diagnosed with Brittle diabetes at the age of 16 and I knew this when I married him, it is the worse form of diabetes there is. Anyway, we were told that he would never be able to have children, that he would never see the age of 30 and that his body was failing already at the age of 21. I have witnessed my husband die on too many occasions to share and I have also witnessed God bring him back from the dead, fully intact, fully functional and fully alive. We were blessed with producing 6 wonderful children, now young adults and my husband is a healthy 55 year old man today with grandbabies 8&9 on the way. I would love to share more of this story which I have been told I should write a book because of all the twists and turns in our lives, which involves the US government agencies my husband has worked for and the many countries we have been involved with, the good and notorious people we have encountered along the way and the many times our lives have been threatened. It has only been by the Grace of God that we have survived to this date and continue to survive. God is really and truly out there, He is really and truly more than a mythological figure in a book and He is more than any imagination could fabricate. I would love to share it all, but I guess this is neither the time or place, I leave that for you to decide.

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You've got to be kidding. You're here to deliver the good news of salvation to Walk Away members? Get real dude!

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Let us get this clear. The qoute you mentioned was on from those fundamentalist who are visiting after being invited on another forum. It most certainly is NOT my intention I came here as an escape from 'their' fprum.

Bill

It has been suggested that this conversation would be better held on Lion's Den so i am answering there,

Bill

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you've plotted to come here. .................. God is really and truly out there, He is really and truly more than a mythological figure in a book and He is more than any imagination could fabricate................ I can't hurt you and it certainly wouldn't hurt anyone for me to pray to God for them, especially if you do not believe there is a god any way.

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So....is your style of 'evengelising' called 'plotting' for god?

Your last post was yet another example of a lame testimony.."raised from the dead'.....Evangelising!  &  I don't buy your 'sorry's' one bit Sgt Maj. Goofy

....*sigh*..... 'Well..............what about your prayer's? ...didn't work did they.... I'm not 'saved' ...I am pissed off  that you feel the need to target me this way.  You can pray for whoever you like ...and for however long you like....its your life baby

Here's some of the gossip...........

Before I respond to "Chic" ~ Amisk

Goofy Barker
on 03/03/2007 at 12:37:49 AM GMT
Bible Study

I will be in prayer now, but I seemed to have gotten her attention. Been a little while since I dealt with someone so full of hatred, but there is still hope for her...... The Lord sent you there for a reason Amisk, WHOA, PRAISE GOD AND THANK YOU JESUS.....

BIG TIME PRAYER TIME REQUEST, CALLING ALL SAINTS

Goofy Barker
on 03/03/2007 at 12:20:19 AM GMT
Bible Study

Okay, Amisk has entered a real den of trouble, but it is where we are called to be and to at least attempt to deliver the "good news" of "salvation". Amisk has already done an excellent job and I am sure they will put two and two together that we came in twos (teehehehehe a play on words there).... These people are lost and hurting and the internet is a whole new ballgame for those of us who are called (all of us) to evangelize..... Remember the "Great Commission" is calling you....

Okay thats it, please pray for Amisk and me too.... Love you guys....

Goofy

PHEWWWEEEE...... DANGER ALERT AMISK

Goofy Barker
on 03/03/2007 at 12:14:32 AM GMT
Bible Study

Greetings Bro,

Woa, dude, Allen took one read and said "why are you even attempting to enter that place?" I had to remind him that if it is a place where souls are lost and need salvation, then we had better go in..... But oh what a den of anger... Especially from that one little gal, she needs some real prayer! I don't know how well I will be received but I will give it a shot....

Blessings Bro and I will be praying for you and you better be praying for me too..... Love you and you are a real Soldier for Christ....

Goofy as always....

 

okay... its 'good' for you to target and plot...but not 'good' if someone calls you up on it....comeon sista'....that's a tad hypocritical

YEEDOGGIES ~ ATTENTION PLEASE

Goofy Barker
on 03/03/2007 at 02:31:31 PM GMT
Faith

Good Morning Brothers, Sisters and Others,

I think we have all realized that we have people, who simply read along to see what we are up to, who is tackling what and/or who, but I didn't think anyone who read would have any malice toward us, but I guess they do.


When I followed Amisk into the other forum, I made sure I did not use my real name this time as I have had too many problems in the past doing that. I have felt that here in this place was the only place I should actually use my name as I have been fortunate and only been cyber attacked by one person from my time here, but now there is unfortunately someone else I have to be on the look out for and that is a very sad statement.


John G. you know who you are and maybe you should come out and tell us why you feel you can attack me and the rest of us here on another site and think that it is okay. If you want to confront me, please do, but don't take it some where else.

Well it is time to put on the full armor again and yes, please pray for me, this is so way not cool...


In His Majesty's Service,

Goofy

Eugene ~ the simple reason ~ because I am still stupid

Goofy Barker
on 03/03/2007 at 04:59:43 PM GMT
Faith

and gullible. I find it hard to believe that there is no way to communicate to those who say they are so open minded and it is frustrating because my heart aches and breaks knowing that if they do not listen with those open minds, they are missing out on the greatest love and adventure of their lives. These are the people we are to fight for, to face adversity for, to be strong and go into the "lions den" for and try to bring them out. This John fellow has stated that I behave in a "self righteous and superior" way, if I do or if I am perceived this way, then I still have a long way to go toward that total sanctification we talk about. God help me. My first reaction is to run away and stay away from that place but at the same time, the Lord took Amisk there for a reason and then I and John followed, so what is the reason? If we can reach at least one, even if only one, then that is the greatest reward we could ever achieve. Who knows, it may even be this John fellow, if you are reading John, I am praying...

Walk

John Stephenson
on 03/03/2007 at 05:33:01 PM GMT
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Eugene

I share what you say and after my first venture there and monitoring it now for a couple of more days I probably will avoid it since there is more fertile ground to plant seed in. I am just curious now to see what or who else reveals their true colours here.

John

john Goofy Eugene...

Linton Holm
on 03/03/2007 at 07:11:30 PM GMT
Faith

Hi,

It is simple remember that the scriptures say we will come under persecution.
For those who feel "fundamentalism" is something to walk away from...what are you walking to.
The concept that those that oppose a simple and accepting "Faith" in the "Scriptures" the Word of God are dangerous biggotted and worthy of ridicule.
You had better be right...because the alternative...is so frightening.

My prayers are that any that want to justify walking away should first ask a very deep question...Why???

Another question...Are you sure you are right???

Or another...what is your hope ???

Or another...is it because of someones action toward you...someone who claimed to be a fundamentalist...but was probably a sinner like the rest of us???

Guys...don't waste your time dont expose yourselves and don't fall into the trap of some here who have decided it is their call in life to make mischief...that can only last while they still have breath.
remeber there are millions of others out there who could be grateful for the "Good News".

That's okay Linton

Eugene Gesner
on 03/03/2007 at 07:30:51 PM GMT
Faith

Those of us that know you should have recognized that right off.

It may be a case of "casting pearls before swine", except that I have respect for Cheri's discernment, so if she has been drawn to witness to a particular person, I pray that it will be effective. After looking at the intro, I'd say that it probably needs to be more one on one, but that will be up to Cheri how she handles it.

Sgt. Major !!!!!!

Esteban Henderson
on 03/03/2007 at 10:44:01 PM GMT
Faith

If I ever see or read that Word STUPID come out of thine lips...ooohhh you are going to get it !!!

Sis we are all guilty at times for stepping into something we should have advoided...but hey...aint it great to be human ???

Ok Sgt. Major...get them rollar blades & amour on...and let's get ready to rumble...for Jesus...

 roller blades...Haha..that kills me!

Thank you again Colonel Est, Sir and

Goofy Barker
on 03/03/2007 at 11:19:48 PM GMT
Faith

Yes my rollerblades are totally shined and my armor is totally like way shiny and cool and ready to rumble.....

As California Air Head prepares for battle she notices something very strange hovering in the corner of the Bunker Cafe..... it looks like someone she knows only he is wearing a costume again and a name tag that bears a name that does not truly belong to him..... What is he up to now????? Slowly CAH glides over in his direction, seeking to see his face a little clearer when all of a sudden out of the blue comes a rushing mass of people all wearing party hats and singing "roll out the barrel" and they have super soakers and water balloons and paintball guns and and and

Walk Away Site - to Linton

Lloyd Michael Fletcher
on 03/04/2007 at 03:11:26 PM GMT
Faith

Hi, Linton,

I think Olive made a good suggestion.

Not only should you share in this forum, but you could give the "Walk Away" folks some tough arguments.

Your tenacity in that forum would give the folks a challenge.

God bless you, Linton!

Lloyd Michael Fletcher Mike

bla bla bla...........

what the hell.....I didn't paste this before as I thought Bill's posts were enough to give folks on WA the story....

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Reply to : goofy1 & gods gangsta'syou've plotted to come here. ..................God is really and truly out there, He is really and truly more than a mythological figure in a book and He is more than any imagination could fabricate................I can't hurt you and it certainly wouldn't hurt anyone for me to pray to God for them, especially if you do not believe there is a god any way.So....is your style of 'evengelising' called 'plotting' for god?Your last post was yet another example of a lame testimony.."raised from the dead'.....Evangelising! & I don't buy your 'sorry's' one bit Sgt Maj. Goofy....*sigh*.....

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Snakechic, well do you now feel challenged by these 'evangelists' ?? As you will have seen each one who has come here has gone back and reported on their 'success'. Now you will see why i only visit rarely, usually when i wamnt reminding what fundamentalism is really like. Over the past few months a number of those branded liberals have left the forum??? nuff sed

Bill

Bill

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Snakechic, well do you now feel challenged by these 'evangelists' ?? As you will have seen each one who has come here has gone ba

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Oh! its hilarous...

I still want my answer.....Why hasn't  the praying worked guys? ......not praying hard enough?

So now we Salvationists are dangerous enough to the openminded people on this forum that threatening to ban us is the anwser.

I wonder where the true open minds are........we have people posting on IHQ Forum who old totally opposite views to what our Doctrines and Standards hold. Are they banned ....no .

We are open minded enough to read and listen and then reply and I would have to say in a non aggresive non-threatening manner when we are on this forum.

But so be it...

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Apparently, these "Salvationists" refuse to recognize that this forum is for support, not attack. If they continue to show up with the same tired old arguments, trying to herd us back into the fold, then Voltaire will have to go into banning mode again. These people have been warned about proselytizing.

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Did you get a load of what your last post in this thread  brought on....?

& wasn't it sneaky of Goofy to say all those sorry's....then let it rip with one of best 'worst' testimonies I've read in a long time.

Personally I'm not 'challenged' by them .....they are baby trolls.  It does make one of my main arguments about the definitions of fundamentalism a lot clearer. That organizing christians by the name of their church is rather stupid.

& then GOD said.....

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You attempt at irony falls short because you assume we think you're dangerous. It would be more helpful if you tried to collect more information before coming to that conclusion.

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I couldn't agree more...bytw...." .Love you god"..

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.We are open minded enough to read and listen and then reply and I would have to say in a non aggresive non-threatening manner when we are on this forum.But so be it...

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It is not the beliefs you hold, you heve every right to hold them, that concerns me about fundamentalists. It is the hypocrisy shown by many of them. You say the above and yet recently you have said that people who do not hold your beliefs should, first of al 'burn in hell' and then later 'fry in hell'??

When a friend of mine, who hafd actaully introduced me to that forum, took you to task and said he ewas dissapointed to hear you use such language, one of your funfdamentaist friends the  accused hime of being unpeaceful and not very friendly for using such language?? When it was explained that it was you who used it not him, your friend did not apologise, he sent a satrcastic childish critical letter. Added to that another fundamentalist, despite this clarification, wrote a very direct and condemning letter telling my friend he shoul;d not use language like that??

Sir if that is what you call non-aggressive and non-threatening i wonder why my friend, after eight years of abuse on that forum now feels he will noever return to it - well he said he would when he gets an apology but acknowledges that hell will freeze over first!!

You, and your little band of merry fundamentalist, mke much of coming on to this forum but when snakechic asked for the details so she could visit the Army site what happened? Not one of you gave her the address, I, as a non-salvationist occasiional visitor, had to tell her.

Finally i can think of one or two who were banned from that forum for their views and a lot more who were 'encouraged' to leave by the abuse they got. you know who they are.

Bill

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You, and your little band of merry fundamentalist, mke much of coming on to this forum but when snakechic asked for the details so she could visit the Army site what happened? Not one of you gave her the address, I, as a non-salvationist occasiional visitor, had to tell her.

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Yes...and I thank you for that Bill. I appreciated your concern.

Christians like that are their own best examples of why I don't want anything to do with christianity. Yep..hypocrites. Sounds like they have caused a fair bit of havoc in their fellow member's  lives.

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Reply to : Bill BoothYou, and your little band of merry fundamentalist, mke much of coming on to this forum but when snakechic asked for the details so she could visit the Army site what happened? Not one of you gave her the address, I, as a non-salvationist occasiional visitor, had to tell her.Yes...and I thank you for that Bill. I appreciated your concern.Christians like that aretheir own best examples of why I don't want anything to do with christianity. Yep..hypocrites. Sounds like they have caused a fair bit of havoc in their fellow member's lives.

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Woa Chic,

You went to a lot of trouble to copy and paste from the TSA site, I didn't know my 4 little posts here would make such an impression that you felt it necessary to track me down and share what I and others from that site had to say. Thank you.

As for my "testimony", its all real and all true, you can take it or leave it, that is your right, but please don't call me a liar. I don't think I have come on here and called you any names and my apologies were also real.

As for "Bill Booth" he has several names when he posts on the TSA forum and it is usually because he wishes to cause a stir, he isn't everything he has stated here either.

I should also make it clear that I am not a Salvationist,  I am something you would probably consider a whole lot worse, I am a Charismatic Pentecostal who is not tied to any denomination. The views I express on the TSA forum and this one, are my own.

If you wish to continue this dialogue, that would be cool with me, however; please don't belittle everything I have to say as that seems pretty hostile. If you wish me to leave, just say so and then don't make comments that cause me to have to come back in and clarify or refute.

As for Bill Booth he has several names when he posts on the Army forum.

 

And he assassinated JFK, started the first world war when he shot the Archduke Ferdinand, caused Appollo 13 to crash and lets see, any other cospiracy theory we can blame him for???

 

Bill

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So now we Salvationists are dangerous enough to the openminded people on this forum that threatening to ban us is the anwser.

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No, you're not "dangerous", just annoying. It's as if some boorish, uncooth, obnoxious bloke smelling of BO were to walk into my office, I'd ask him to leave, and if he didn't go peacefully, I'd call security. It's not about danger, it's about maintaining a pleasant environment. I suspect the moderators here have an analogous view of this forum.

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They also have no desire to read the front page of the forum which as a strict no proselytizing rule.

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This is what I find so toubling about the Fundies--the ethics they adhere to are actually less than what you would expect from any mature adult.  Dot is exactly right: they do not have a basic understanding of boundaries and simple respect.  I wish they could see how offensive it is for them to approach the people here as "conversion objects."  It precludes the possibility of any real dialogue.

If any of them are still reading this thread, let me suggest an alternative approach--one that better represents the true spirit of Christ, IMHO.  Instead of defining this as enemy territory, why don't you see it as a place to meet and try to understand people who have been hurt by fundamentalism, so that you can learn what not to do yourselves.  It is an opportunity to grow in compassion and sensitivity--not a place to try to get a notch on your belt for a "saved soul."  In the meantime, you just might be able to connect with someone and see the value in their very humanity and personhood--in and of itself--and not just as a means to your ends.