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(Date Posted:09/13/2007 23:56:33)

The way I feel, the pain, and the journey. I first came to believe in Jesus through many hard places in my life back in 1973. Someone told me he was the answer and one night in my car I ask if he was real and immediately felt that he was. The next day when I got out of bed I felt different and it was good. I called a friend who had witnessed to me to share my feelings and decision and my journey began.My journey took me through many good and bad times, crazy ,goofy things. Started with the baptisim of the Holy Spirit,(controversal) Charasmatic movement, Discipleship Covenenat movement, more splits in the church that I can count, and alot of betrayal and hypocrasy.In 2001 after leaving the church 10 years prior I came upon a site called Tentmaker which is a site of christains who dont believe the doctrine of hell, trinity, and christainity itself. It caused great freedom for me as because of these doctrines I felt crazy most of the time. From the time I believed in Christ I felt love for people and the hell thing didnt make sense. I have entertained the thought that all of it is false but it doesnt make sense to be an atheist . I am still struggling with all of it and still feel alone and not living life to the fullest. Can anyone give some insightRed
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(Date Posted:09/14/2007 07:12:40)

I'm glad to hear you discarded the doctrines that don't make sense to you, and I'm sure it was a relief to you. As far as being or not being an atheist, I encourage people who are trying to decide either way to not worry about making the decision. Instead just kind of rest where you are and keep on learning until you become convinced. As far as feeling alone and struggling, I have the same problems. What I've given up on is religion being the answer.

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Zombies, Unicorns, Devils, Sea Monsters, Satyrs, Dragons, Six Winged Angels, Gods, Demons, Witches, Astrologers, A walking & talking snake, Magical fruit, Talking donkeys, human headed six-winged beasts, Ghosts. All that stuff is in the Bible and yet they tell me it"s not mythology?

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(Date Posted:09/15/2007 01:41:17)

Welcome to the forum.   Like Voltaire said, just keep on learning.  You will go through different phases as new information is absorbed.  There is no reason to label yourself at this moment, or even ever.  We are all a work in progress. 

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(Date Posted:09/18/2007 04:46:49)

Reply to : basicred37  - "Hard to put into words"



 Can anyone give some insight



G'Day..


yeah I'm prompted to  say that because of your choice of title to this thread....it might be good to achieve just that. Write ..write...write...until you can  easily articulate those difficult thoughts and concepts - that way your own life/thoughts may become clearer to you. ?


Journaling is often better because the individual is ALONE with their own thoughts rather than responding to other people's ideas & influences. Being 'alone' is not always a 'negative' thing.


I've had quiet a few 'ah ha' moments bashing around on this chatroom..........& "boy" !  have I changed some of my ideas about things. Always looking forward to 'changes'.

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

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