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Hello everyone and happy day. I'm not really very good at introductions or remembering the names of people to whom I am introduced.However, I'll go head and try to introduce myself, but please be aware that a Dixie Chicks CD is feeding into my ears. Inadvertently,it may color the introduction some.I am a 52-year old guy who lives in Tennessee with my wife of 27 years and my two children, a girl (age 11) and a boy (age 4). We liveon a rather ordinary street inan "upscale" neighborhood in a small town. However, we think it is a very special place. My field of endeavor at work is environmental science/environmental protection/technical writing/technical editing. I have a B.A. in anthropology (GPA 3.89) and an M.A. in archaeology/anthropology (GPA 3.96) from The University of Tennessee in Knoxville. In addition, I attended Austin Peay State University in Clarksville, Tennessee, for two years and a quarter. The main focus of my study there was in geology. I know all of that looks very scientific, but I actually love literature, religious studies, history, etc. While I may not know as much about the humanities as some of you folks, my heart is probably more at home there than it is in the scientific realm.On the religious front, I was never a Christian fundamentalist in the sense of growing up in what is often referred to as a "Bible-Believing" church, and I was never even introduced to the notions of being a "True" Christian or following something called "right doctrine." In fact, I grew up in what would become the United Methodist Church.My parents were Christianswho did not attend church. They were good, decent people who loved me a lot, but they weresick (mother with mental illness---apparently predisposing genes in the family) and my dad with insulin-dependent diabetes. To make matters worse, they were dirt poor. This contributed a great deal to my life-long problem withsomething that might be referred to as clinical depression. My psychologist says "no." My psychiatrist says "yes." Who knows. However, I do know this for absolute certain. Whenever a journalist does anon-camera report in the aftermath of a child committing murder, details the good Christian home, the neighbors who say they are such nice people, and ends with the old phrase "...and everyone is just at a loss to explain this senselessact," don't you believe it for even a second. The family can go to church, the family can be nice, everything can seem just great, but I can tell you from personal experience that all manner of pain and severe dysfunction can still exist in that household---enough to result in a great deal of anger and even murder.When I got married,Istarted back to church again and ended upat two churches in the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC)---really without doing any research into what they believed and being totally ignorant of the fundamentalist takeover in 1979. That was a big mistake. I got a heavy dose of fundamentalismfor about 4 years. The dose was bad enough that it trampledwith jack boots through my problems with depression, and I had to seek psychotherapy for the first time to deal withmy childhood issues. Some of you may be surprised by this, but the fundamentalismin the SBC was not an issue in the therapy sessions---never really came upI don't believe.However, dealing with my childhood situation helped me to realize on my own that these right wing, religious right, fundamentalist Southern Baptistswere espousing things I didn't believe (things that I thought were totally at variance with my understanding of the Christian faith from my personal studies in religion and theology). Furthermore, they had abandoned their own Baptist traditions with regard to religious freedom, separation of church and state, etc. First chanceI got, I was out of there fast!!! Several years later, I asked an assistant pastor to transfer my membership to a local United Methodist Churchand to erase any and all evidence that I had ever had anything at all to do with their church---sort of like erasing one's name from all of the buildings and monuments in ancient Egypt.So, where am I today. Well, I am still a Christian, andI have returned to the United Methodist Church wheremy roots were planted in younger years. I love Jesus dearly, accept his grace freely and without fear, and operate---often with great personal failing---according to the principles of love rather than law. However, to put all of you recovering fundamentalists at ease, I am not a "True" Christian, and by baseline fundamentalist standards, my church is about 1000 miles to the left of what you would have once called apostasy.To tell you the truth, by fundamentalist standards, I feel almost certain that Jesus would be labelled apostate if he showed upat the local Separate Baptist Evangelical Free Church. Where do they get those church names!!!!!!!Why am I here?1) First of all, I am here to learn and want you to be my teachers. I am very interested in the fundamentalist belief system, how it operates, and what its implications are for the lives of ordinary people and American society in general. I have read quite a few books on the subject, but have never been able to converse with people who have "been there---done that." I have a million questions to ask and would welcome---in fact would love---a variety of responses from all of you. I would like to pursue something Socratic where I ask questions, you talk, and I basically shut up and listen, except to ask more questions. It might not always work out quite like that, but that's the ideal. I guess the desire to do this comes from my anthropology background.I just have an innate need to understand this human "state of mind" (or whatever it is) called Christian fundamentalism. On several occasions, I have tried to engage pastors of fundamentalist churchesto answer my questions by e-mail. However, they were all dreadfully suspicious of me, even though I approached them with utter innocence. To this day, I am amazed at the fear and negativism I detected in the fewresponses that were received from these pastors.From the receptionI got, you would thinkI had shown up to rape their daughters.2)Secondly, I might be able to help or support anyone who has mental health issues caught up in a negative experience withChristian fundamentalism. Although my personal brushwith fundamentalism was brief, I have never seen darkness as deep and abiding asit is in the pit where psychological disorders andfundamentalism meet up. If you have spent any timein this living hell, I feel for youbecause I have been there myself. Perhaps better, I found my way out. Also, if there is anyone here who isbeginninga journey out of fundamentalism but does not want tototally toss theChristian experience out with the bath water, I could probably be helpfulin salvagingyour faith (not fundamentalism) in a peaceful, nonjudgmental,and loving way. However, I am not here as a missionary, and I know that it is against the rulesto be a missionary here. So, that would be your choice to initiate---not mine. Something tells me that this would be arare case anyway. Why? Although I don't know a whole lot about the subject, it occurs to me that most people who escape from really for real, honest to goodness, common denominator Christian fundamentalismend up as atheists or agnostics. Being an anthropologist, I have a very goodhypothesis as to why this occurrs, but you probably wouldn't believe me even if I told you---so I'll stay quiet about it for now. We can all talk about it somewhere along our mutual journey in understanding this monster from hell called fundamentalism. I think it must surely be what the Apostle Paul is actually referring to when he talks about "...the way of death."If anyone would like to Socratically teach me about Christian fundamentalism, you may do so here on the forum or via my home e-mail address atspacal@comcast.net. I count all of you as my fellow sufferers and wish you well.Tracy
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(Date Posted:11/02/2005 20:21:44)

Hi there, and welcome to "Walk Away"!



Looks like I'm not the only one who has escaped the grips of the SBC!



My family is mildly religous (Cathiolic), but some painful things in my past was what the Baptist group on campus used as their tool to "witness" to me, and it worked. For six months, I sat there like an idiot, all eyes upon the pastor as the mental faculties of me and my freinds were vacillated by his false promise of salvation. When I did confide to him my most terible secret, in the midst of the counsleing session, he insisted that I must develop the "natural" tenderness that God intenede for us women. When I told him I couldn't embrace his ideal, he bellowed, "HAVE YOU ACCEPTED CHRIST AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR?!?" Two weeks later, during his Father's Day speech, he advocated the use of corporal punishment, saying "that extra layer of tissue on their butts is there for a reason." Bastard. And it soon became apparent that women who did not defer to men were viewed as pathological. I broke free a month and a half ago.



You will find so many people on this chatroom who have also suffered because of how their "God-fearing" family behaved behind closed doors. I myself had a ultra-Cathoilc grandfather who made a move on me when I was fifteen or sixteen. I still don't know how to feel about it. I bet your depression was taken as a sign that you were not "saved" and your congregation probably got tired of you after a while because your "relationship with Christ" wasn't as perfect as theirs. They at first offer you unconditional support but then, the indoctriantion begins. Only if you positively respond to their demands do they remain as caring as they seemed the first time you met them (emotional manipulation and blackmail are frequently used to keep people in line). The promise of almighty Jesus rescuing us from our miserable lives to take us to his Kingdom in the Sky is perhaps the most compelling fundy weopan of all.



I have given you all I can, but there are people whose experience with fundamentalism was much longer and harder than mine who can give you a fuller account of the fundy machine. We can defenitely use another member.





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"I"m not a witch, but I wish I was. If I live I"d be a witch now after what they have done. I"ll burn their crops and kill their animals. I"ll stir up such storms. I"ll scatter their ships across the world. If I could meet with the devil right now, I would give him anything for power, for he is the only way to power for women in this world. I shouldn"t have been afraid of Ellen, I should have learnt. Oh, if I only had magic, I"d make them feel it."

Caryl Churchill, "Vinegar Tom"

"It might be the greatest thing ever invented, but if it"s invented, then it"s not worth dying for."

Taj Bachmann, former missionary

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Hello!  Thank you for your willingness to share all that with the forum.  You appear to be bought thoughtful and educated, which, I believe, are the ultimate keys to retrieving your self from fundamentalism.  I too come from a family suffering with mental illness, and religion is filtered through it.  Fundamentalism is very attractive to the already guilt-ridden, because once you "get rid" of your reason for guilt--sin--you are required to pick it right back up in order to follow through with the rest of the religion and to make it relevent to daily life.  There's a thread on the board called "Dealing with Family", I believe, and the subject of parental mental illness comes up a lot. 


May I suggest an excellent resource?  Marlene Winell is a psychologist who left fundamentalism and counsels others who are going through the sometimes difficult journey out.  It's called "Leaving the Fold" and has helped me (and others here) to start thinking differently about why I got involved, what needs fundamentalism met for me, and, to use a biblical term, "transforming the mind".  I guess what happens to kids in mentally sick environments is that you grow up thinking that you don't matter.  All the affection, "quality time" etc. given by well-meaning parents tends to pale in significance when they themselves live in complete and utter fear for their own souls and yours and will ultimately say or do anything when faced with dissent or loss of control.  Getting through this has been the biggest hurdle but also the greatest joy of my adult life.  Being suddenly ultimately responsible for myself and able to change on my own makes life beautiful for me. 


Personally, I have not found a way to salvage much from my experience as a Christian.  According to the way I was brought up, once I prayed the sinner's prayer, I'll always be "saved"; still don't know if that includes leaving the Christian faith or not.  If that really was about a personal tie to God, then going to church and/or reading the Bible won't contribute any more to my "savedness".  I love being alive, helping people and being just a human.  Not to toot my own horn, but I enjoy people and care more about them than I ever knew I could as a Christian who tended to see people as "saved" or "unsaved".   I believe there is a God and that he/she/it exists and somehow contributes to the human experience.  Do I need to be saved from Him?  (Because ultimately you must be...according to fundamentalism, He gets madder than a wet hen when crossed and is the one who gets to throw people in hell when they don't do what He likes...) I started thinking a couple of years ago that if God and I grew up in the same neighborhood, my mama wouldn't have let me play with Him, and I would have been the "good one."  Kinda turned the lights on upstairs, ya know? 


You left the SBC because they somehow stepped over moral boundaries that you didn't know you had yet.  That's why I left, too.  I attended a southern christian college where keeping order was the name of the game, no matter how they treated people in the process.  Ultimately I figured out that if you believe in the Bible as divinely inspired and inerrant front to back, you can only come to the conclusion that those who don't believe are worthless and should be destroyed.  And destruction is the center of mental illness...something is dying all the time...hope, love, peace, unity...I know all about that.  Someone told me once, "Sometimes it hurts all the time," and despite having a few good memories and friendships from my past, and a family that is mostly intact, I honestly have to say that that is the truest way to describe my experience with religion.  People can have a relationship with God, if they choose.  But it is extremely personal and has absolutely nothing to do with religion.  It requires being much more intimate and willing to step out on my own as an individual experience, not one that has been tried and tried and tried by millions who at the end of the day still know that they'll never "get it right" and worry about their standing with God.  Living without relgion doesn't, for me, mean "getting to do whatever the hell I want to do", which most fundamentalists believe.  It means that I get to be more responsible, more open, and more me.  I get to enjoy my life much more deeply and do not worry at all about pleasing a deity.  I am able to love as a human being, not as Jesus would, who I will never be.  I am even more able to love my fundamentalist parents, who I think really need the acceptance I don't think I ever got.  Not because God shows me how to love...God is love...and nothing I do changes that...but because being human is a powerful thing, and the only mountains that have ever needed to be moved are the ones we put between ourselves and the rest of the world.  I get to move them myself, and I can. 


That's my "why", and believe it or not, in an acorn-sized nutshell.  There's a lot more...26 years worth, and enough introspection and over-analyzation during my life to make me at least feel like I'm 126 sometimes!  But that's okay...somehow I got to this place and won't ever be sorry for it.  Good luck with your research!

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