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(Date Posted:08/06/2007 04:30:31)

...I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal savior when I was 12 years old. During Vacation Bible School at a small Baptist church, I heard that he loved me and died for me so that I could someday go to live with him forevermore. It was a simple message (followed with a simply warning about the alternative to rejecting Jesus) and I responded to it in childlike faith. I really wanted to have a personal relationship with him. In some ways, maybe I still do.Through my teens and twenties, I turned to the charismatic faith for answers as to how to know God in a personal way through the Spirit. To the charismatics, Jesus wasn't just someone who died 2000 years ago and then left earth to return again someday, but a very real prescence who was with us today. To me, this sounded much more in keeping with the kind of God and Jesus I read about in the Bible who actually spoke with people, who had a very personal relationship with them. In contrastto the Baptist notion that Jesus is not here (except in their churches on Sunday mornings between 9 and 12), I discovered a lively faith that claimed to believe that God could and would do the same things for his people today as he did in Bible times. But does he?In my thirties, I became disenchanted with the excesses in the charismatic movement and the judgmentalism that I felt constantly pervades that faith. Never having spoken in tongues myself, I was made to feel that I was a second-rate Christian who had some secret sin that, despite Jesus' sacrifice, kept God from giving me his Spirit. Not knowing any better, I returned to my Baptist roots, believing that maybe having blind faith was the answer.But my forties brought experiences and questions into my life that the kind of Christianity I knew either wouldn't acknowledge or had no answers for. The more I read my Bible and stopped blindly accepting everything I heard from the pulpit as truth, the more that I saw that modern Christianity has very little to do with the teachings of Jesus or the way that he lived his life. And the more I studied systematic theology, the more I found it rife with contradictions and ambiguous absolutes.My mid-forties were probably the worst time for me "spiritually speaking." I felt that I no longer belonged within Christianity but I found some truth in the teachings of Jesus. I felt that if Jesus were to return, that 1) church is probably the very last place he would go and 2) he would not destroy the world as I had been told.So where am I now? I don't know. Again, alot of what Jesus taught resonates with me so I guess in some ways I am still a follower. But I want as little to do with fundamentalism and fundamentalists as possible, feeling that their whole paradigm of "God will send you to hell if you don't meet his requirements" is a distortion of what Jesus really believed and taught. I don't know if I'm a liberal to the extent that I believe the entire Bible is fiction and that God is only a concept, not a real person. I guess I am in the middle of the road. And that is where I am most likely to get run over by both sides. I'm at a point where I want to be eclectic in my beliefs, choosing and holding to what I believe is good and dumping the rest. That involves, of course, trusting that I will know the good and the truth when I see it. But I find more freedom in asking questions than in giving simplistic, pat, unquestionable answers.
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(Date Posted:08/06/2007 06:47:57)

Welcome, Eklectic! You will find you are not alone by reading though the pages of threads!


 


You might be interested in this link:


http://www.christian-universalism.com/


 


 

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(Date Posted:08/06/2007 17:01:04)

I looked into Christian Universalism for a couple of years, Wahine, and, frankly, I didn't find it persuasive.


Christian Universalism or Ultimate Reconciliation, still rests upon the fundamentalist paradigm that everyone comes into the world damned by God to hell. Jesus' job is to literally drag people to God so that God can save them from hell.


While CU or UR tries to offer comfort to people by saying that everyone gets to go to heaven, I still think it puts forth the false notion that God is "in control" of the universe and that mankind does have free will to choose God.


Thanks for the link anyway.

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(Date Posted:08/08/2007 05:56:33)

Somehow, I never perceived Universalism to be as you described; nonetheless, I'm sorry if I offended you.


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(Date Posted:08/09/2007 18:32:47)

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So where am I now? I don't know. Again, alot of what Jesus taught resonates with me so I guess in some ways I am still a follower. But I want as little to do with fundamentalism and fundamentalists as possible, feeling that their whole paradigm of "God will send you to hell if you don't meet his requirements" is a distortion of what Jesus really believed and taught. I don't know if I'm a liberal to the extent that I believe the entire Bible is fiction and that God is only a concept, not a real person. I guess I am in the middle of the road. And that is where I am most likely to get run over by both sides. I'm at a point where I want to be eclectic in my beliefs, choosing and holding to what I believe is good and dumping the rest. That involves, of course, trusting that I will know the good and the truth when I see it. But I find more freedom in asking questions than in giving simplistic, pat, unquestionable answers.




Gut instinct is the way to go, however even if you do not "know the good and the truth", it seems at least you have discovered what is not 'the good and the truth'.  Welcome

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(Date Posted:08/10/2007 14:21:29)

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alot of what Jesus taught resonates with me so I guess in some ways I am still a follower. But I want as little to do with fundamentalism and fundamentalists






Hi there.

Yes, what Jesus taught resonates with me too. I think I was blessed to find Him on my own and to not have other people's interpretations cloud the issues. There is a freedom and peace that surpasses anything I've ever experienced.

The biggest flaw I see in fundamentalism is this idea that God is desperately trying to salvage something that went terribly wrong and is mostly losing. Some things are definitely terribly wrong here, but some things are also terribly right - and NONE of it caught the creator by surprise. Oh, and of course there's the unending punishment thing. That's just insane!

Bottom line, you can totally walk away from fundamentalism and still be a follower of Jesus.

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