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(Date Posted:01/15/2005 04:50:04)

Hi there. I actually used to post on this forum a long time ago, but with all the things going on in my life, I pretty much had to give it up. It has been a very long time and so I have reincarnated as a different being this time. I have been a walk-away for a number of years but I still sometimes have issues to deal with and it is nice to have a place to vent or to see if I am thinking correctly. Hey, if I can spend 11/2 hours a day on my live journal, surely I should have time to come here.As I said before, I walked away a long time ago, sometime during the 1990's. I was "saved" when I was a teenager, about 18, and at the time, my salvation experience, had it been in a fundy church would have made even Jerry Falwell proud. Over the years, however, what I discovered in the churches, was that Christianity was so full of contradictions that I could not reconcile any of it. Not the least being the behavior of those who were really and truly "full of themselves", that is christians. I saw covert racism and bigotry that just flew in the face of all that I truly believed in. When I first got saved, it did not care who or what gays were or what they did. They were ok with me. The same for people of different races. I also had friendships with these people. But I found out that if I were going to be pleasing to god, I had to conform and adopt the same attitudes or I would be considered either not really saved or of lesser faith than those superior ones who were also engaging in homosexual activities, divorcing their wives after committing adultery, and all other fun kinds of things. What was wrong with that? I was treated as if I had committed the world's worst sin by being divorced!!! I wasn't divorced because I cheated--my husband cheated and it was he who wanted out of the marriage to pursue some 19 year old blond. I did all that I could and endured years of abuse, all for Jesus, and then I am treated as the worst sinner these people had ever seen. If god truly existed and truly was just, then shouldn't these people, who claimed to have all the answers have known better and acted better? They're just human you say. I would say that too, but when they did wrong, if they got caught, they always had a pat excuse: it's all the devil's fault. But if you had the slightest imperfection, well, by god, you've sinned horribly and you'd better repent. This would not have been just men either. Even my best friend (at the time) was that bad.I have always questioned things and have always been an independent thinker. Fundy christianity does not like that, particularly if one is a woman. christianity is first and foremost a religion of control which relies on both the gullibility of individuals to buy what it is selling (fear, guilt, and shame being the first tools to be used), and manipulation of the group. Preachers and evanglelists rely on manipulation as their primary tool. To be manipulated is to be controlled and lied to.Enough for now. Will be posting something soon.
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(Date Posted:01/16/2005 03:25:39)

Hi and welcome to the board.  One of the main reasons why I left fundyism and xianity is because of the attitude towards women.  There is a list of things that are forbidden to christians but that's the official list.  There is also an unwritten list of extra forbidden fruits aimed only at women which is practically anything that  is  secular.  I'm a member of a political party and whenever I mention it there's always a sharp intake of breath but men are allowed to join that party.  I was told also that I couldn't listen to secular music of any kind yet it was OK for a father to take his son to see the Stereophonics when they played at the Millenium Stadium.  However they drew the line at seeing the Manic Street Preachers so guess who I want to see in concert when they went on tour next.  I've spent the last four years (gosh doesn't time fly) doing all the things that was expressly disapproved of and more.


Then there are the separate bible studies and books recommended.  Women are told to fixate on how loving and daddy-like God is but men are told of the wrath and jealousy of God.  I wonder if this double standard is introduced so that more women are attracted to the church while the few men who chose to remain in the church are groomed for leadership.  It's usually the male members of this board who have woken us up to the divine cruelties mentioned in the Old Testament.  Us women have been bamboozled.

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(Date Posted:01/17/2005 04:37:34)

Hi and welcome!





  Preachers and evanglelists rely on manipulation as their primary tool. To be manipulated is to be controlled and lied to.





Its pretty quiet around here at the moment but don't let that stop you  COme on in!


That's one of my interests as well.  Taking some self responsiblity I wonder why we humans so susceptible to any type of fantasy that removes us from the reality of the environment we see and inhabit?

Is there a 'flaw' in the mind/soul/heart/spirit of humans that causes us to accept fantasy as reality?


I guess its part of the creative drive that can turn on the individual?


I don't know I have many questions as well especially about cults and what its like to be born into a semi cult like the Seventh Day Adventists like I was.


Say the word 'manipulation' and I'm all ears...

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God

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(Date Posted:01/17/2005 07:21:35)

Welcome to our party!  The more, the merrier!


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I have always questioned things and have always been an independent thinker.  Fundy christianity does not like that, particularly if one is a woman.  christianity is first and foremost a religion of control which relies on both the gullibility of individuals to buy what it is selling (fear, guilt, and shame being the first tools to be used), and manipulation of the group.  Preachers and evanglelists rely on manipulation as their primary tool. To be manipulated is to be controlled and lied to.





How true.  Wish I had realized this before falling into the whole rancid vat of belief.  I think fundies trick you into their web by making you believe that they are the ones thinking rationally, while all those other unbelievers are marching blindly and unthinkingly after each other.  Here's a quote from a fundy site, complaining about long hair on men, accusing the "left-wingers" (anyone anti-fundy, of course) of rejecting logic and reasoning, and following others opinions. 


"I have a lot of other articles, but I have time for only one more. An article appeared in the Richmond Times-Dispatch, Richmond, Virginia, and the writer of the article was Anthony Surbony, a personnel manager for a large corporation. He had interviewed more than 14,000 men for jobs in the past years that he had been there. He said that the length of a person’s hair tells a lot about him. Here’s a man after 14,000 interviews. He said the left-wingers generally have long hair.


"They reject self-discipline, authority, regulation, proven logic and reasoning. They are more easily swayed by popular opinions and propaganda. They tend to accept and do anything if somebody simply suggests it’s a style. Many employers find that they tend to be more dreamers than doers, where the reverse is the trend on men with short hair. Why is it so? Mainly it is due to a self-centered personality.""  http://www.momof9splace.com/modesty3.html


Actually, it's the fundies who are following one another, blindly stumbling along trying to ignore the wide-eyed folks warning them they are about to fall into a pit or step on someone's toes.    Sad, isn't it?


 

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(Date Posted:01/19/2005 22:12:55)

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  Taking some self responsiblity I wonder why we humans so susceptible to any type of fantasy that removes us from the reality of the environment we see and inhabit?Is there a 'flaw' in the mind/soul/heart/spirit of humans that causes us to accept fantasy as reality?I guess its part of the creative drive that can turn on the individual?I don't know I have many questions as well especially about cults



                  I think that is one thing that a lot of people, but fundies in particular do, is to fail to take personal responsibility for their own actions. I know that is painful sometimes to have to admit that I have done something wrong and I have to be responsible and make amends (or at least pay the consequences), but for people who want to force their form of "righteousness" down other people's throats to just "the devil made me do it" or "I  was deceived by the devil" really  gets to me. 


        As far as a flaw that gets us to accept fantasy as reality, I never  really thought about it.  In some ways it really could be that creative drive  (gone wrong perhaps) that is the answer.  It is kind of the same situation when you watch a movie or read a book.  When you watch a movie or read a book and it is categorized as "fiction", you know that the story isn't true but that there could be some "truths" in it.    In order to enjoy the movie or book, we have to a "willing suspension of disbelief"--that is we put aside our understanding that it is a work of fiction long enough to get something of value out of it.  This is the creative drive done correctly.  What is bad is when fiction is sold as absolute truth with threats of death, destruction, and hell to accompany it.  This is playing on the creative drive to use it to control others.


I hope I made sense.  

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(Date Posted:01/19/2005 22:20:53)

Thanks to all. I have been busy but I will have some more posts here later.
 Welcome to The Collection of Flashlights!Wolf-eyes ,your eyes break the darkness!
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