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(Date Posted:05/15/2004 23:19:31)

Hello All,

My name is Eric and I'm a 43 - year - old writer living in Seattle. I'm very happy to have found this forum. The nuts and bolts of my story:

I was raised Episcopal, confirmed, acolyte, all that. Loved the church.
In high school, started going to YoungLife
Followed my YoungLife friends to an independent fundamentalist charistmatic church
Began attending and following the elders of the church
Was 'spiritually adopted' by the parents of the friend who first brough me to the church.
Prayed secretly for God to 'heal' me of being gay. Knew the church had the answer...
Spent many hours at this family's home. Most of this was 'instructional' time. A lot of the 'instruction' was attempts to 'drive demons' from me.
Graduated from high school with a messed-up sense of who I was and a deep sense of shame.
Continued to pray for 'healing' for my sexuality.
Spent a year between HS and college to ground myself. Dove headlong into the church. Also attended a 'messianic jewish' congregation. Loved the traditions and singing. Had a huge crush on the rabbi.
Parents moved to another state - moved with them for college.
Found a church close to parents' house with loud, charismatic services.
Had my first 'full immersion' baptism.
Continued to pray for deliverance of my gayness.
Went to a Nazarene church for a while at school.
Found s harder-line church to attend while at school. Pastor advocated beating your kids until they cry. The friend I'd taken to this church for the first time left, horrified.
Continued to pray and fast for my 'healing.'
Made lots of Christian friends at school.
Had my first gay affair the summer of my freshman year. Cried and cried and cried.
Returned to school, determined to get right with God.
Went to church constantly.
Prayed constantly.
Began having nightmares.
Prayed more.
Got a job in a French restaurant.
Discovered I was not the only gay person in Ann Arbor, Michigan.
Disovered lesbians.
Heard people tell me for the first time that being gay was okay.
Left the church cold turkey.
Began drinking.
Got a boyfriend.
Graduated from college.
Moved to Chicago.
Left boyfriend, found another.
Continued drinking.
Repeated above several times.
Stopped drinking through AA.
Struggled with spiritual aspect of the program.
Discovered there were many different ways to see and experience God.
Asked myself what I believed for the first time.
Didn't know how to answer.
Stopped dating cold turkey.
Went through intensive therapy.
Read lots and lots and lots.
Went to a few churches: Unity, Religous Science, Episcopal.
Episcopal priest tells me God loves me because of who I am, not in spite of.
Cried.
Career as writer begins to take off.
Through odd circumstances, begin dating a friend.
Four years later, my partner and I have a commitment ceremony.
Parents attend. Friends come from all over the country.
Three nuns who live in our apartment come celebrate.
Everyone cries.
Continue with Unity and Religious Science churches.
Continue to ask what I believe.
Continue to answer: I'm not sure.
Question begins to feel as comfortable as the answer.
Accept a job in Seattle, partner and I rush across country in order to avoid Y2K blackout on December 31, 1999.
Turn the lights on at 12:05, 1/1/00
Kiss partner in relief.
Continue living in the question.

That's pretty much the outline. I find I still have a part of my brain that accuses me of treading the primrose path to hell. That everything I've done since leaving the church has been suggested by Satan. That my 12 + year relationship with my partner is evil. That my success in my career is nothing more than the 'riches of this world.' I find if I hold the daily evidence of my life up to the light of day I am fine. That I know more love in my life now than I did when I was immersed in the ways of the fundamentalist church.

I had found an ex-pentecostalist forum and posted a few things on it. I found out, however, that topics relating to homosexuality were not to be discussed. I suppose I could have stayed in that forum and just kept that part of myself hidden. But I thought: to hell with that. I am not going to hide or change myself simply to make someone else more comfortable. I had enough years of that in the church. From what I've read in these pages so far gayness isn't an issue in this forum. Thank God! I would like to see the whole Christian/gay either/or apparent debate put to rest. I am gay. I am a Christian. I am also a Buddhist. I see no conflict there.

So --- that's me in a nutshell. I'm going to go downstairs now because my nose tells me that my partner Paul just seared a bunch of pork chops . . .

peace

eric

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(Date Posted:05/16/2004 01:04:16)

Mmmm, I wish I were there for a taste of those pork chops.


Welcome!  I too went the whole Young Life route, and my leaders told me creepy things about denying my sexuality (and I'm not even gay).  Tell a girl experiencing her first pubescent fantasies that she's being attacked by satan, and that will take a little while to straighten out.  I still feel bad for not kissing my first boyfriend.  I'm glad you've found someone despite being told there was something to "cure" about yourself.


It also sounds like, like me, since you found fundamentalism apart from your family instead of through it, at least rejecting it hasn't affected your relationship with them directly.  That would make an already hard process even harder. 


I am not much of a fan of Christianity now and am not really a theist, but I am glad that that Episcopal priest was able to relate you the idea that you are worthwhile in the eyes of god, not dirty or sinful or whatever.  If there were more religious leaders like him, then this world would be a better place.  Instead there are so many people out there spreading these horrible messages of self-loathing and division. 


We've even had a coming out on this forum, so I am sure we are not as intolerant as the ex-pentecostal forum was.  That actually surprises me.  Has the average person there walked away from pentacostalism but not from literalist Christianity?  We had an interesting discussion about how much our parents talked to us about sex about a month ago (the consensus being little to nothing).


Well, anyway, welcome! 

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(Date Posted:05/19/2004 15:49:21)

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Thank God! I would like to see the whole Christian/gay either/or apparent debate put to rest. I am gay. I am a Christian. I am also a Buddhist. I see no conflict there.




Natures Law dictates that, in order to survive, bees must work together. As a result, they instinctively possess a sense of social responsibility. They have no constitution, no law, no police, no religion or moral training, but because of their nature, they labor faithfully together. Occasionally, they may fight, but in general, based on cooperation, the whole colony survives. We human beings have a constitution, laws and a police force. We have religion, remarkable intelligence and a heart with a great capacity for love. We have many extraordinary qualities, but in actual practice, I think we are lagging behind those small insects. In some respects, I feel we are poorer than the bees.

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Namaste

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(Date Posted:05/27/2004 01:18:27)

Hello, Eric,


I'm new to the board as well, and I've heard enough homophobic BS to last  a lifetime.   I'm gay, too.  But things are changing, and I'm glad for that.


James

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(Date Posted:06/01/2004 13:31:56)

It's nice to see so much family springing up as of late.    And a fellow Washingtonian, to boot!  Welcome to the boards!

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(Date Posted:06/01/2004 13:41:24)

hey, thanks Mr. Highwind. Where in Washington are you?

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(Date Posted:06/01/2004 13:43:30)

I live in Tacoma, work in Tukwila and was born and raised in Moses Lake.  How's that for purebred.  :P

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(Date Posted:06/02/2004 21:03:30)

I've been in Seattle 4 years. That makes me a native now, I think...

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(Date Posted:06/03/2004 00:13:43)

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Hi Eric. My name's Erik and I used to live in Seattle but am now in the modern Sodom of San Francisco as a pansexual female-to-male transsexual. 8)



I'm going to type an intro here in a sec but briefly I was brought up in the Southern Baptist church and I still have problems with my inner preachers and church ladies and, of course, the person who explained to me that all they said was true, mom. "holding the evidence of your life up to the light of day" has worked somewhat for me but not always. I'm glad it has worked for you.



interestingly I never questioned being gay, when I identified as a dyke, or being transsexual when I found out that was more like it. I moved from having faith to having no faith around the same time I first came out, and although the fundies within sometimes chide me for my "lifestyle" I've been so danged happy living this way that they just cannot work up a decent head of steam.



no they bug me on other topics which I will go into elsewhere.



hi.



Erik

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I'm looking forward to reading your intro Erik!


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