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(Date Posted:06/01/2003 14:35:33)
Reply to : _FoXx_
I will respect you for who you are and not push the issue any further. Afterall, I am the intruder, seeing as this is a non-Christian board.
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you know what, velisha? it would have been really nice of you to have have had a thought like that *before* you made your very first post here. if you'd been as willing to respect the rest of us for who *we* are before you decided to post comments like:
"All I can think is that maybe you were exposed to a religion that didn't teach the truth, or a denomination that construes the real message."
"The message is that God is Love and he sent his Son Jesus Christ to sae us all of our sins."
"Ohh please all of you, re think your positions. If you have been saved, washed by the blood of Jesus Christ, then you are saved forever, you are in Jesus's hand and Jesus is in His Father's hand to never be removed. If you are saved then you are no longer judged by your sins but by your works. Please don't push someone who is on the edge, over to the side of no return. Now if you are not saved then I would search my heart, Jesus is the only way to eternal life in heaven. Please remember everything that you have read from the Bible, think "Am I wanting to stop believing this just because it is easier, there are fewer restrictions, I can do what I want to do and don't have to wory about consequences?" God will forgive you when you fall, he will even pick you back up if you ask. Please remember that God wishes for none of His children to perish, he wishes none of you to go to hell."
and let's not forget...
"God Bless you all, I will be praying for you all"
do you *seriously* think that we've never heard any of this before? from family and friends and peers and strangers on the street with "concern" for our immortal souls? more importantly, do you *seriously* believe that you showing up here and saying it to us again is going to make *any* difference? i sure hope not...if so, my dear, then i'm afraid you've just wasted your time here.
xtianity is a religion that teaches people they are nothing on their own. it teaches that humans are nothing less than sinful, flawed little worms who are at the constant mercy of some omnipotent creator deity. it teaches that those who don't submit to this deity will spend an eternity roasting in a big barbeque pit named hell. i left xtianity because i realized that i'm just fine as i am...i don't need to submit myself to some deity and give up every aspect of myself that makes me human just to secure a cushy place in the afterlife. more importantly, i want no part of a religion that says people i deeply love, respect and care about...kind, decent, non-xtian human beings...will be tortured for all eternity simply because they reject jesus christ as their lord and saviour. you can attempt to sugar-coat his intentions all you want, but, fact is, the god of xtianity is a nasty, selfish, abusive deity. his kind of "love" is not anything i care to be associated with anymore.
it never fails to irritate and amuse me when i run into a fundy...they like to try shoving their beliefs down the throats of others at every opportunity because they want to believe that they're truly "concerned" and want to "save" us from making a terrible, terrible mistake. what they don't realize, however, is that it's all about fear...and nothing more. fear that they're not a True Christian(tm) if they don't bring at least a few souls to jesus in their lifetime. fear that their god will punish them for not spreading his word. fear that if someone can't or won't accept the "truth" of xtianity that (*gasp*horror*!!) there might actually be a good reason why. most importantly...the fear that if someone who was, at one point in time, a devout xtian themselves can actually walk *away* from the religion completely, then perhaps it could someday happen to the fundy, too.
after over two decades of twisting myself into knots trying to believe and prove the validity of the xtian religion, i finally walked away...and, you know what? for the first time in my life, i feel truly "blessed". i'm blessed that i'm able to be myself...my *real* self...for once. blessed that i can take full control of my life and full credit for my accomplishments. blessed that i'm not cowering in fear everyday, fearful that i'm not pleasing the lord. blessed that i can enjoy studying things like science, the occult and other religions without pissing off a jealous deity who wants me to himself. blessed that i can finally accept the world...life...the universe...as it is without wondering if everything that happens in my life and the life of others is all part of some mysterious, divine plan.
this is *my* life...and i'm going to savor every moment of it. i'm finally free to do so.
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(Date Posted:06/01/2003 14:48:11)
Reply to : Dik
I hit you with words, look how indignant you are, how unjust you think my attack was.?Apply that concept.
dammit, dok......i wanted to use the word indignant, you selfish bastard. not just that but i had a beautiful little sequence all worked out that had me putting ?orally?before indignant to give it that extra twinkly zing. damn you to delisha's hell and hellfire retribution, dammit. Reply to : _FoXx_ here in the world of godlessness we have a concept called positive reinforcement, which i think is what Dok was taking the pains to explain to you. it's not biblical but it might just be a good thing, nonetheless.
I thank you for responding in a respectfull and intelligent maner. I do like speaking with you because you can remain civil and not personally attack me for what I believe in.
respectful and intelligent. let me remind you of the first words to flow from your keyboard upon arriving at our forum:........."Reading your posts just saddened my heart. No greater victory for the devil is to turn one of God's followers back over to his side."................ translation: 'oh my lordy, look at all these little stray sheep. let me remove thine scales from thine eyes, little sheepies. you're all too stunned by satan's confusion bullets to know what danger you are in. here, let me lead you thusly to sup on the teet of god's glory. there you are, little one. feed and rest that weary mind of yours.................." how respectful or intelligent are you by hastily ducking your head in and launching straight into personal attacks on our personally held doubts about christianity? do i walk into your church in mid-service and announce atheism as the 'abiding truth' that we should all be following? no. why? because that would not be intelligent and respectful. it would be condescending and conceited. yes, we have all heard the message about your friend jesass, in hundreds of different languages in a million different churches from a million different preachers from 40 000 (the actual number of registered denominations over the globe) different angles. enough already. shock horror - somebody has walked the miles in your shoes of faith and have decided NOT to take the mystery gift behind the green door, thanks very much. that decision, as momentous as it was for most of us, was reached after a great deal of 'soul'-searching and introspection. if you were intelligent and respectful enough to acknowledge that, i think you would have received a warmer welcome from the likes of myself . why are you here, delisha? have you got a question to raise concerning matters of religion that you could really use some sincere advice on? did you want to share an idea that amounted to something more than shoving our faces in your bucket of suspicion and hometruths? there are humans out there that have tried christianity on for size and found it lacking. get over it and stop feeling threatened by it.
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(Date Posted:06/02/2003 01:35:06)
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Every time you lay off an American worker you also lay off an American consumer.
When you export jobs you also export the ability to pay for goods manufactured for the American market.
Let's not vote for Bush again this year.
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(Date Posted:06/02/2003 09:01:19)
If I can just get some insight.... What made you walk away? What was the thing that confused, convinced or sealed it for you that made you walk away? Also, if you don't believe in God then how do you believe that we are here?
P.s. It is not uncommon for a woman to not know that she is pregnant. In my case my husband and I had been together for 7 years and had not had a child. Also I have a very irregular cycle, I can go as much as six months without having my "Monthly friend". During those first months I had no signs, no typical morning sickness, cravings or even weight gain. The only sign I had was a little lump that I felt in my abdomen which I assumed was a tumor considering that my sister-in-law had just had a tumor removed. The tumor that she had removed felt the way that the lump in my abdomen felt to her in compairison. I have known women that didn't know they were pregnant up until the day of their delivery!
P.s.s. I didn't know that what I was going to do was considered spamming. I just thought I was placing an ad. I will admit to being dumb in that subject since I really don't have a clear definition of what "spam" is..
Well, goodnight and God Bless you all,
Velisha
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(Date Posted:06/02/2003 09:57:15)
Welcome to the board, Sayso. I'm sorry your intro has been hijacked. That's not the usual way things go, but it does happen.
FoXx, this is a support forum for those who are leaving or have left fundamentalist Christianity. One of our rules on this board is no proselytizing. That means no "witnessing". No telling people they need god. No telling them you hope they will find their way back. No telling them there must be something wrong with their reasons for leaving. This is meant to be a safe haven for people who are often in a vulnerable spot.
As for some of what you have written. I was sickened by the fact that you would spank your toddler for having an accident. Toddlers do not have accidents because they are willful or disobedient or defiant or because they just felt like it. They are not fully mature yet. They can't always tell when they have to go. That can't always stop themselves when they start to go. This is a physiological fact. As a parent you should be helping your son to learn a new physical skill that he hasn't yet mastered. Teaching, encouragement, rewards, praise and modelling are the way to go.
Here is a very good parallel to help you understand. Say your son is learning how to ride his first bike -- he's just taken off his training wheels. He's still a little wobbly. As he tries peddling along, he teeters and falls over. Saddened, you pick him up and spank him because you love him and want him to learn how to do it right. You can't just have him falling over whenever he feels like. If you did that he might grow up to drive recklessly and crash his car all the time.
I don't mean this as a joke. It is exactly the same thing. You wouldn't (I hope) spank your child for falling over when his body is too immature too keep its balance all the time --- please don't spank him when his body is too immature to control its sphincters all the time!
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(Date Posted:06/02/2003 13:30:21)
Reply to FoXx
But I will tell you, doing all of these things diligently and living a life pleasing to the Lord does not go un-noticed. I remember once that I was hungry and I did not have any money, things were going really tough (a trial) and I just remember thinking "I can handle this, if it is God's will then I will eat". About 30 minutes later a woman from Chick-fil-a walked in with a party tray of food, enough to feed the whole office but just so happened I and one other person were the only ones in the building". I immediatley fell down on my face and thanked GOD, I knew it was him. He also has sent me donughts too, loved that!
So God condones the eating of unhealthy junk food, eh? If God was concerned about the planet he'd remind you to get some food in to bring into work from markets and specialist shops or give you a long enough lunch break for you to visit a cafe. Sounds like a co-incidence to me. Happens to me quite a lot.
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First let me say if that is you in the picture then you certainly are a fox. If you are the other one then you are a horse.
It can't be her. It's a picture from a magazine. Probably a fundie magazine.
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(Date Posted:06/02/2003 13:42:44)
Reply to foxmaiden
Here is a very good parallel to help you understand. Say your son is learning how to ride his first bike -- he's just taken off his training wheels. He's still a little wobbly. As he tries peddling along, he teeters and falls over. Saddened, you pick him up and spank him because you love him and want him to learn how to do it right. You can't just have him falling over whenever he feels like. If you did that he might grow up to drive recklessly and crash his car all the time.
That's a very good analogy.
Unfortunately xians (particularly fundie and calvinistic ones) don't realise that mistakes made by humans at any age are largely due to inabilities or lack of knowledge, skills or practice. They think that they are made wilfully as if we are born knowing how to walk, eat and control our sphincters. Even in later years we make mistakes because we can't possibly know everything and also every organisation or group has different ways of doing things as there is more than one way of doing something but no perfect method or answer.
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A man who never made mistakes never made anything. I hope somebody tells your son that as he grows up because there's a good possibility that he would be too paralysed by fear to learn or try new things.
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(Date Posted:06/02/2003 14:09:19)
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(Date Posted:06/02/2003 19:06:46)
Reply to : Chirpy
Reply to DokHey, why not go visit sweet dear Velisha and dump shit she don't like on HER bored?I want to spam Velisha's Board !!I've just been to visit. It has no substance. I don't see the point to it. It's just a personal forum for FoXx to show off herself and get her cronies to post adoring messages to make her look good. I also find it inappropriate for an xian to include a picture of a half naked woman on the home page.
Ok fist off, do any of you know my son, do you know me? For some reason you seem to think that he is this little weak minded human being who can't control himself. I seriously wonder if any of you have any children because the way you speak leads me to believe that you don't. I do not spank him for having an accident. I spank him when he stands there and uses the bathroom on himself when just 5 seconds ago I had taken him to the bathroom. You make it appear that all I do is spank him when in all reality he has only had one spanking in the past two days. Also if I didn't think he was ready I never would have started training him in the first place. When he started being able to tell me that he pooped or peed in his diaper that is when I decided he was ready. Oh and by the way we do give him positive reinforcement. When he goes to the bathroom he gets hugs and kisses and we give him a sucker or give him a quarter to put in his piggy bank. My son is almost trained and it has only been three days, not many people can say that. I know a few Kindergarden teachers would kiss me on the forehead for potty training my son because that means one less child that the parents leave up to them to train. I would hate for my child to be 4 or 5 and not be able to go to the potty, how emabrasing for him and for me.
As for my site, I made that a while ago. I haven't even been there in a while. You are right though, it was a personal type of forum but no it was not to pay homage to me (please, what have I ever done). It was just my friend and I talking about things and God and a place where we posted a few jokes. I didn't know how to really promote it so it never went anywhere. Also that girl is not half naked, she was in a strapless bathing suit and I pasted her and faded her bathing suit to blend with the water.
Oh well I hate to run but I must be off to work, God Bless,
Velisha
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