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(Date Posted:03/19/2008 21:19:37)

Anyone been   'cursed' lately..?  I've been 'doomed to hell' so its like water off a ducks back but don't tell me there is no hate   'talk'  in christianity


Rev. Wiley Drake, a prominent Baptist leader who has issued "imprecatory prayers" against his critics and called upon other conservative evangelicals to do the same. An imprecatory prayer is more or less a curse, basically asking God to cause someone else to die or suffer a horrendous, perhaps unspecified, circumstance. That circumstance might be something as much directly affecting second parties, too. For instance, cursing a person by praying that that person's children will be childless.


From the AU press release:

IRS Target Wiley Drake Asks Followers To Engage In Imprecatory Prayers Against Americans United Staff Members

Controversial Southern Baptist Pastor Wiley Drake has again urged his followers to pray for the deaths of staff members at Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

Last August, Americans United filed a complaint with the Internal Revenue Service about Drake's use of church letterhead and a church-based radio program to endorse presidential candidate Mike Huckabee. Federal tax law forbids tax-exempt groups from endorsing or opposing candidates for public office.

In a Feb. 5 letter, the IRS notified Drake that his First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park is being investigated.

In response, Drake issued a Feb. 14 e-mail appeal to followers to engage in "imprecatory prayers" (curses) against Americans United and three of its staff members.

Said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United executive director, "We deplore Pastor Drake's reckless and repugnant antics. Introducing this kind of religious extremism into American life is reprehensible.

"We have asked the IRS to investigate what we believe to be Drake's violation of federal tax law," Lynn continued. "If Drake thinks he is innocent, he has more than adequate legal representation, and there is ample opportunity to make his case.

"Trying to turn God into some sort of heavenly hit man is repugnant," Lynn concluded. "There is more than a whiff of the Taliban in this action"

Wrote Drake, "In light of the recent attack from the enemies of God I ask the children of God to go into action with Imprecatory Prayer. Especially against Americans United for Separation of Church and State.... Specifically target Joe Conn or Jeremy Learing [sic] and their leader Rev. Barry Lynn. They are those who lead the attack."

Drake directed his followers to Psalms 109 (as well as Psalms 55, 58, 68, 69 and 83) for examples of imprecatory prayers.

Verses from those texts ask God to bring death and destruction to those targeted.

"Let his days be few; and let another take his office," says one passage. "Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow. Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg."

Another passage says, "Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell."

Drake waged a similar campaign last year after Americans United filed its complaint against him with the IRS. Religious leaders from a wide variety of faiths repudiated the pastor's tactic.

Drake is a prominent pastor in the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant denomination. He recently completed a term as second vice president of the group, its third highest post. He currently is running for president of the denomination, which became increasingly political after a fundamentalist takeover in the 1980s



see  http://www.religiousrightwatch.com/



(Message edited by snakechic on 03/19/2008 21:26:32)

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RE:Imprecatory prayers or curse
(Date Posted:04/01/2008 16:48:44)

I have had imprecatory prayer used against me years ago, when I was 18. The super-controlling pastor I knew cursed me a few weeks before he tossed me out of his church. He told my mother on the phone, then later stated publicly in a church gathering, that I would be cursed with barreness of the womb. This was because he accused me of laughing at some of the congregants while they danced "in the spirit".

By that time, he had been accusing me and/or my mother of just about everything, so this latest one was not realy surprising, but the curse did kind of catch me off guard. I didn't think he'd do that, considering I was a Christian and a member of his congregation.  Later I realized that  he had stopped considering me to be either of those things  in his own estimation and was dealing with me as an outsider, an unclean evil person. that really hurt.

For the record, I did laugh at one of the dancers, but it wasn't done in a malicious way. There was this one guy,  am aquaintance  of mine but also  a good friend (translation: ass-kisser)  of the pastor , who would break out all these Saturday Night Fever style moves during the crazy worship times the church would sometimes get into. I personally felt it was a bit inappropriate for church, what with all the split jumps and  hip shaking  and whatever. I was embarrassed for him, frankly. He was a good dancer ( or must have been when he was younger), but  he just looked strange doing it  in church. It was funny, slightly embarrassing, and entertaining, so I laughed a bit.  Jeez! For this I get cursed with barreness. The pastor got his inspiration from the story of one of King Davids wives who laughed at him for dancing in parise to God. In the story, god makes the woman infertile.

The curse must not have worked too well though.  When I decided to have a kid  I ended up conceiving my daughter on the first try, having an easy labor and being told by my midwives that I'm one of those woman who was made to give birth to a bunch of babies....LOL
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RE:Imprecatory prayers or curse
(Date Posted:04/24/2008 17:00:35)

I can't be the only person in this forum who's been cursed. Surprised
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RE:Imprecatory prayers or curse
(Date Posted:04/25/2008 21:30:56)

Reply to logophile (04/24/2008 3:00 PM)
I can't be the only person in this forum who's been cursed. Surprised
Don't feel all lonely Logo....


I've had the full on 'tongues' thrown at me  in a  phone call  ! Hahahaha..
but bugger me if I could make out what the hell the silly pastor was trying to  say!???

  ...he sounded really pissed off. It was mentioned that I was 'doomed' to hell ' at some point.

Lovely ..loving person that he was. (name Tony Addison of the Abundant LIfe Centre if anyone wants to look him up) *chuckles*


(btw...isn't it cruel that any kind of misfortune that might happen to an 'outsider' is considered 'proof' that the 'believers' hateful religion is 'right'!
*Growls*
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RE:Imprecatory prayers or curse
(Date Posted:04/25/2008 22:14:32)

opps! I forgot to log on.


"Later I realized that  he had stopped considering me to be either of those things  in his own estimation and was dealing with me as an outsider, an unclean evil person. that really hurt."


that sounds familiar to me. I think the way some xian organisations treat their 'flock' is horrendous and very common. After all what kind of social skills are there?

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God

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RE:Imprecatory prayers or curse
(Date Posted:07/31/2008 04:22:13)

To curse is completely unXtian. To God you are never out of his offer of love. So it's contradictory.
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