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snakechic
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(Date Posted:10/17/2005 04:38:48)
Reply to : spitfire1979
Isn't there something in the bible about not boasting?No kidding! Read through the Q&A section and find gems like this.(Q) My motives for asking these questions are pure; I am still young but might be starting a family in the future. If you clarify your outlook it will greatly help me make an assessment in how I may want to raise my children(A) I trust that if your motives are truly pure, that you will consider these thoughts to your questions. And if you decide to stop making excuses for why you cannot live for God, and if you stop thinking that others who are living for God should not be followed .........
For a start the whole web site is a huge contradiction - why bother with violin lessons? Shouldn't I joist have 'faith' that I can play it?
Wow....They are such good role models....I guess I don't even need to read the bible for myself. All I need to do is soak up this wonderful web site and not even question that they are real people.....
Kidding aren't they.!....No guess not. They certainly don't think they need to 'clarify' anything. Answers with total arrogance.
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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.
-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God
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(Date Posted:10/18/2005 00:09:20)
notice how things that they are UNABLE to do due to their lifestyle of poverty and seclusion (borrow money, dating, "go to fairs or theme parks, shop for pleasure, go to sporting events or participate in organized sports. We avoid hobbies that are time consuming and keep us from serving the Lord") quickly become things that they do not agree with and count as wrong?
has anyone else seen this type of thing before?
chirpy brought out a great point about how wonderful it would be to live on a large plot of land and eat organically all the time, and it would be. i'm a total hippie at heart, but this does not and needn't include spelling out my children's entire lives for them and trying to manipulate their consciences so that they feel queasy about doing anything i feel is just unnecessary or not for me.
mr. morie used to pastor a church (non-denom) which advocated leaving you profession if it was secular. i knew a doctor who went there and left his practice flat-out when mr. morie told him that modern medicine was "against the bible." it's the guy's fault he believed it, but he found out soon enough who the quack really was.
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snakechic
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(Date Posted:10/18/2005 03:51:16)
notice how things that they are UNABLE to do due to their lifestyle of poverty and seclusion (borrow money, dating, "go to fairs or theme parks, shop for pleasure, go to sporting events or participate in organized sports. We avoid hobbies that are time consuming and keep us from serving the Lord")quickly become things that they do not agree with and count as wrong?has anyone else seen this type of thing before?chirpy brought out a great point about how wonderful it would be to live on a large plot of land and eat organically all the time, and it would be. i'm a total hippie at heart, but this does not and needn't include spelling out my children's entire lives for them and trying to manipulate their consciences so that they feel queasy about doing anything
Yes...the site or should I say their lifestyle is very familar to me for a few reasons. The music...I dunno seems like its a common european value to teach your kids something. I was and boy oh boy ....it was used as a tool for disipline and of course shaming becuase I was crap at both the voilin and the peeanano....I'm a farking minor deslexic who has trouble with the left and right hand stuff.
I haven't really read the site in much detail so so pick me up on it, if I'm off track......but as I said its so familar to me joist by scanning it.
Come on......I doubt all the kids (out of 10) are loving their music as much its 'boasted' by the site. the boasting is familiar......
even the way they relate to money. My father earned heaps and heaps but we lived in poverty according to the spending habits of our neighbours - no Tv - no car - no hobbies (movies, etc) no out of school trips except for one holiday, the best outings I recall were shopping for Farking fabric at the local habedashory shop/store (forgive spelling)...and farting afternoons at the botanical gardens. Talk about boring the crap out me!!!!
I don't think I was ever sent to the doctor when was a child - only the dentist to have most of teeth ripped out at once. Horrible! I had been given the milk bottle for too long and used it for comfort. Yeah..its bad for young teeth. Also my parents were incredibly stingy with money and going to the drs would have been a waste of it. My ma and pa knew better anyway <sarcasm>
And yep...all the other (good fun stuff) was evil.....especially makeup, talking to boys especially disabled ones. Notice how Mr. Moriee avoids 'normal sickness' and claims everything at their place is clean and perfect. Uses the word 'pure' a lot.
this family is very cultish however............that's one difference I can pick up between my fundy family values......mine had huge esteem towards an university education in all professions - including Dr's etc. Immigrants (Ukraines, Russians, Poles, etc) from experience do express fundamentalism this way.....excentric ...umm hard to expplain
evendown to ...
the home grown vegies....yep and the herbs and fruit and gawd knows what else.. our whole front yard was planted with potatoe but the greens........(wish ma had washed them better to get the thrip off) organic is good but not with other life forms included.
Chirpy.....yeah good point , you can enjoy this life withOUT the fundy shit.......and I'm a hippy at heart as well but to me it means freedom on all the levels that are crushed by fundies lifestyles like this web page is trying to sell.
Why do you think they are doing that? selling
has anyone else seen this type of thing before?
I hope someone adds to this thread, I like to read it as well. Hope I'm not too boring with all this personal stuff...just rabbitting on
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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.
-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God
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Shadowself
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(Date Posted:10/18/2005 19:46:46)
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A big revelation in my professional training was that humans can learn skills for living and relating. We don"t have to be desperate for a miracle of God to make us decent.--Marlene Winell
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(Date Posted:10/18/2005 20:21:42)
Yes, I noticed the dressing alike and lack of individuality except I noticed when they were travelling in the van or in the kitchen they weren't in uniform but were dressed similarly. They all have different personalities sorry roles which I suspect are personalities foisted upon them by their parents which they deem are appropriate for their gender, age and position in the family. Doesn't it all remind you of the Von Trapp Family from the film "The Sound of Music" only this was an idealistic family from the 1940's.
BTW a jumper is called a pinafore in British English and we call woolly sweaters jumpers. I got a bit confused there. Nothing wrong with home made clothes. I used to make a lot of clothes myself when in my teens and twenties as they shop bought ones were either badly made with seams that unravelled easily or they cost a lot. I never suffered the embarassment of turning up to a party and seeing another girl or woman wearing the same dress as me. Clothes are much cheaper to buy these days as more and more they are made in third world countries where labour is cheaper.
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(Date Posted:10/18/2005 21:34:26)
Reply to : shadowself
Will these kids survive if they ever break free from this brainwashing? Do you think they have a glimmer of resistance left in their soul?
Not sure about the kids, but when the church the dad pastored closed down, many people left very disillusioned. Several wound up at my mom and dad's IFB church and wore headcoverings for years even though it's not preached by the IFB church. They'd been so brainwashed by Mr. Morie's teachings that they couldn't bring themselves to stop practicing his beliefs even though he'd become a moot point.
This man seems unassuming enough when you meet him, sortof like Bill Gothard (yes, I've met him too) but once you understand the power tey exert over people by acting like they've tapped into the will of God, and have the Law to prove it, they're very hypnotic to some types of Christians. I always thought it amusing and sad to see poor single moms get all into this way of thinking, never realizing that they are by default unable to live it and will never be accepted by its staunchest believers. no room for wage-earners (except for dad, and he must not be too "into" his job), moral questioning, and any lack of outside authority in any area of your life means that you are rebellious.
chirpy, thanks for clarifying what a "jumper" is! I've always wondered that since I've been watching BBC since childhood, reading British literature and couldn't for the life of me understand why a man would ever have one. mmmm.....wooly sweaters! sounds comfy.
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(Date Posted:10/20/2005 02:19:14)
I have made a lot of progress in years since I have walked away, kind of like deprogramming after being brainwashed. But I don't think I ever want to be completely recovered, completely cured. I think I need a little something inside that gets triggered so I never fall again into something as evil as fundamentalism. Kind of like when people talk about the Holocaust, we can never forget or it could happen again.
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snakechic
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(Date Posted:10/21/2005 15:49:09)
Reply to : glad 2 be free
I have made a lot of progress in years since I have walked away, kind of like deprogramming after being brainwashed. But I don't think I ever want to be completely recovered, completely cured. I think I need a little something inside that gets triggered so I never fall again into something as evil as fundamentalism. Kind of like when people talk about the Holocaust, we can never forget or it could happen again.
I know exactly what you mean (I think). I was born into fundyness...and for years and years after I left home..I remained sensitive to it (couldn't handle hyms) ,,,,,and didn't set foot into any place except the odd trad wedding and funeral.
Unfortunatly I let down my defences (crisis)....a few years back when my sis 'witnessed' to me......I ended up in a pentie cult/horror for a little while.....never never again.
I'm going to do the same thing.....'remember..... that fundamentalism is evil' ........and doubt and question christianity to boot.
I think that 'triggering' feeling is often confused with the good old 'gut' feeling thats supposed to warn us of danger!
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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.
-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God
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(Date Posted:10/22/2005 02:55:40)
Just when I think I have total recovery I find a new area that I need to heal in. I have been at this for four years now and have come a long way. I guess it is an ongoing process and should be allowed to take as long as it needs to take. The important thing is if you are heading in the right direction. To my mind those who have truly seen the error of their ways and made a decision to leave, there is no turning back to fundamentalism.
On the other hand I feel that I have grown enormously as a spiritual person. I see situations much more clearly than I ever have and am open minded to a far greater degree. One of my reasons for leaving fundamental Christianity is because I was promised spiritual growth and gradually started to recognize that I was not growing. To continue growing I HAD to leave. Fundamentalism was holding me back. In fact I see most Christians as being held back by the church instead of being helped along.
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She said something like, "Well, now that you've forced me into this tiny little box, I guess your explanation is that it is the only one I can choose." -post by phoenixgirl
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