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(Date Posted:11/26/2007 19:27:55)

I recently walked away. thank you everyone for the support. I went to church with my mom this sunday. she's catholic. The message was about who your master is. Is it drugs/alcohol, money, sex or is it God. you know, it's the typical fundie message but in a catholic church. the other possible master is yourself but that means your pride is getting in the way. how do you guys deal with this sort of message?
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RE:who's your master?
(Date Posted:11/26/2007 19:57:53)

I don't think that making yourself your own "master" is neccessarily prideful, unless you have absolutely no regard for others at all.  All of us have to learn to make our own decisions in life, and while we can seek advice, the final choice is up to us.  I used to get all worked up about seeking God's will about everything; what He would want me to do in a situation, where to work, etc.  I feel that it ended up holding me back in my adult development and maturity.  I was putting myself in the place of a child, which is what the church wants.  Also note that the choice Christian leaders give you is between God and the big bugaboos of sex, money, drugs, etc.  Yeah, you can be controlled by those things to an obsessive-compulsive level, but most people aren't.  The church tends to present everything in extremes, Black vs. White.  They don't understand that, for most of us, the choices are more likely to be between multiple good things rather than good vs. evil, and that the process of picking which good thing to choose is made depending on the situation at hand instead of some absolute that was supposedly determined in a different time and culture. 

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RE:who's your master?
(Date Posted:11/27/2007 00:05:25)

this topic was started by me btw. thanks.
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RE:who's your master?
(Date Posted:12/02/2007 10:58:34)

Shadowself, firstly unfortunately I can relate all too well to being held back by my beliefs and feeling I had to seek god's will in everything (and not being able to figure out what it is and being utter confused and nervous!)

Secondly oh how well you put things in your reply and I agree with them too! Like most of us AREN'T addicted to sex, drugs, alcohol etc.  Some people are but many or most of us are not like that.  I for one am not a person who takes things to extremes so I don't have it in me.  I had a good sex life (still do but now I'm married it's just one guy!) but I was never like a nympho or sleeping with everyone and anyone or out of control in any way.  I tried pot three times and got bored with it and I have been drunk once in my life and that is it!

Most of us are NOT obsessive addictive types.  Some people are sure but not everyone, it is NOT black and white, as you put so well.

 

 

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RE:who's your master?
(Date Posted:12/12/2007 10:23:00)

I always try to find a middle way if I can especially when it comes to solutions to problems.  For example you've arranged to meet a friend to see a film at the cinema and they haven't turned up.  Do you wait until they arrive missing the start of the film or do you buy a ticket and go into the cinema and take your seat at the start of the programme?  A better solution is to ask the ticket seller when the film will actually start and then buy a ticket five minutes before the film actually starts.  Until the film starts stand outside the salon in case your friend arrives in the nick of time.  That surely would be the best answer.

I do find it difficult to find balance in my life especially in areas where I'm trying to make an impact and therefore put too many hours in each week at the expense of the other areas of my life.  I found myself not trying to get too deeply involved when starting a relationship and would work longer hours in a paid or voluntary job to escape my clingy boyfriend and then became ill.  It would have been better to have taken time out for myself to chill and do things that I really wanted to do such as taking long walks in the countryside or even better still end the relationship.  It took seeing a cognitive therapist and a long session with a life coach to make sure that I don't get into that situation again.  I now have a maxim for people encroaching on my life too much; if you want more and more from me you get nothing.
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(Date Posted:12/15/2007 21:33:34)

I recently walked away. thank you everyone for the support. I went to church with my mom this sunday. she's catholic. The message was about who your master is. Is it drugs/alcohol, money, sex or is it God. you know, it's the typical fundie message but in a catholic church. the other possible master is yourself but that means your pride is getting in the way. how do you guys deal with this sort of message?

 Yep....xianity is the problem not just one category some call  'fundamentalism'. Yep & that includes the Catholics..the proddies - all are fucked up.

What does it really mean?  'Pride gets in the way'..? sounds like that same old crap. Xians have many cliche's to say when they can't think of anything else.

ie." Be humble  or get rid of your  'ego' " typical religious throw away lines.

"don't think - it gets in the way of faith "

"don't follow the world"...etc etc...

-  its all bullshit - to make you feel guilty or shamed.

 & Its all a Judgement! ie...... Who is going to say what is too much or what is black /white or what is middle ground? - its up to you to do that for yourself.

 

 " Hey..whats wrong with a bit of extremism anyway!! A high ..a glorious,  full on, take it to the top,  bang up time!! "Maximum" is not a dirty word you know....

I'm over taking into account or conforming to that  stupid xian methodology for the sake of posting on this chatroom.

 

 Mediocrity - does that mean ... don't you dare make any waves...speak out ...be safe vs anything else ! FUCK THAT! Conservative isn't necessarily 'good' either.

WHo is your master? 

A question like that tell you the mindset of the people asking it doesn't it. A hell of a lot of 'slavery' going on in the bible/chrisitan language. 

Its all besides the point anyway....who is totally or absolutely free to make every kind of choice anyway. Society puts all kinds of pressure on the individual to conform - to work by a schedule,  etc. The only difference here for the church goer is that the 'church' wants to be the top dog in your life. This is where you can choose !-  its up to you if you allow it. Don't go to church and you won't have to listen to that crap anymore.

 

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RE:who's your master?
(Date Posted:01/11/2008 15:22:01)

 

 

I guess my first question would be why are you going to mass if you're trying to walk away?  Do you not have a choice?

 

WHO IS MY MASTER:

 Kindness

quietness

peacefulness

 love for my family

love for my friends

caring for myself and my personal boundaries

 

  Church/christians tend to act like you can't be a decent and kind human being that cares and loves for other people with a generous heart if you don't believe in their God and their bible.  It irritates the ever-living shit out of me. 

 You notice they didn't say - who is your master?  the Homeless?  The sick and dying?  The child that needs extra tutoring or a place to go after school til their parents get home? Your neighbor who is in the hospital and needs their mail brought in and their plants watered and maybe a meal or two? 

It would have sounded really stupid to ask that, now wouldn't it? 

 

 There's nothing wrong with serving yourself as long as you aren't hurting anyone else in the  process.  It's only selfish if it hurts others or has complete disregard for how your actions affect others.

 

LM

 



(Message edited by lsl_mss on 01/11/2008 15:25:56)

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RE:who's your master?
(Date Posted:01/31/2008 20:57:59)

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