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(Date Posted:01/20/2008 01:49:47)

Has anyone else heard of the 16th century being the birth of fundamentalism? This is a new concept to me, as I always thought that Christian Fundamentalism grew out of a reaction against the Modernism and Higher Criticism movements of the 19th century. 


Roots Of Fundamentalism Traced To 16th Century Bible Translations

Researcher finds that reading was a "tightrope of terror" for early Protestants


"The 16th-century moment was not the foundation of liberalism, as many historians have maintained, but rather the foundation of fundamentalism," he says. "Anyone who wants to understand how fundamentalism is a product of the modern era must look to its birth in the 16th century." 
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/home/news_and_events/releases/fundamentalism_11072007.html

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RE:Roots Of Fundamentalism Traced To 16th Century Bible Translations
(Date Posted:01/22/2008 08:01:53)

I don't know...I always thought, where you have religion ..you have 'fundamentalism'.  (you can argue about it till the cows come home...bullshit like ...'was jaysus a fundie'  or the old vs the new testiment.

I don't think 'fundamentalism' is a product of the modern era ..............but of christianity itself.
but..I guess it depends on what you mean by 'fundamentalism'?
If you like the idea of the definition being something about 'back to the beginning'...etc then the two go hand in hand.
I bet the early christians were arguing among themselves about all this same shit.
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The Catholics are good at it too...




an easier way to explain what I'm getting at would be to say....the link basically is focused on christianity. The discussion ignores how other religious sects demonstrate its 'fundamentalistic' traits - and I'm bloody well sure it can't be pin pointed by some date - whether its the early 19C or the 16th.

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RE:Roots Of Fundamentalism Traced To 16th Century Bible Translations
(Date Posted:01/22/2008 19:28:16)

I agree, though I think the present day form of Christian Fundamentalism is rooted in the 19th century more than the 16th century.  I would guess that fundamentalist tendencies always exist in religion, but there are different catalysts for different time periods that get the fundy ball rolling.   


Here's another thought: why stop with blaiming just 16th century translations for fundamentalism?  Couldn't all translations of the Bible be used to further fundy aims?

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