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(Date Posted:07/20/2003 23:48:52)
I have to say straight out that what's going on here is completely unacceptable. Some of the words written here are so offensive and hurtful that I'm stunned at how they could ever have been written. We have a common experience in life and a common 'enemy' that should unite us and make us compassionate to one another. The last thing we should be doing is attacking each other. I'm signing off from this board for now because I've got enough crap on my plate without reading this stuff. Those of you who are hurling insults and abuse seem to forget where you've come from, where you've been, what it all was like and what this board is for. You forget that you were once part of the fundy system - if anything would make me want to return to xtianity its the cruel unnecessary posts I've seen here recently. I feel like Paul writing a fucking epistle to the quarelling corinthian church dammit! Cop on guys - there's very confused, disoriented and hurt people out there who need your/our help and this is just bloody destructive! Shame on you!
St. Thomas get your finger out and sort this before you allow more harm than good. The fucking fundies will have a field day with this shit!
I can be contacted personally here: nodolan @ yahoo.com
I'm grateful and appreciative to those who came to my rescue when I first came here.
Thank you Mark for your call it was great to talk and you really helped me get some perspective on my situation - I'll write to you asap.
Noel.
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(Date Posted:07/21/2003 01:38:09)
Ted, geez. In light of all your lame-ass, quasi-philosophical posts on the meaning of underwear grime and the like, you're the last person who should be accusing someone else of inane posting. You sounded so petty and jealous. I appreciated Phoenixgirl's post, and it was exactly on topic in this thread. I, for one, am glad to hear about somebody "moving on" and enjoying life.
Everyone lighten up, will you?!
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(Date Posted:07/21/2003 01:45:14)
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sorry about that. i though your post was most decent. i think teddy boy was having a foggy sort of day because i think he missed the concilliatory tone of your post. wouldn't read too much into the post despite it's raw tone. misplaced vent, i think.
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Fundamentalism is not a disease that can be declared cured. This forum would be really really silly if I weren't welcome here just because I felt better and wanted to keep up with you guys at the same time.
I'm realising that I had some form of religious addiction. I'm not a complete atheist and I have a remnant of a faith but for me to attend even the most innocuous church would find me being drawn back into fundamentalism. Like a person who's had to kick an addiction to alcohol or tranquilisers there are far too many triggers for me in attending just about any church. Just listening to a sermon would soon have me back into reading christian books and magazines, giving up my secular interests, feeling guilty about everything and then being afraid of the world. It's like a slippery slope and I thought I would be immune to it last time I gave it a try. What's the cure? Getting into nature is one way of avoiding fundamentalism.
I wish I had someone in real life to talk to about my bad experiences but most people I know are lucky enough not to have had them or they've had them but feel to sore and bitter to talk about it. Finding pagans and new agers to talk to might help as those of them who've been fundies have more courage than the other walkaways I've met.
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(Date Posted:07/21/2003 02:00:18)
Thanks guys.
BlueFox, Nologoboy, and Chirpy, you all are reminders that this place is a very supportive place for the most part. In any group, there will always be people you don't jive with. You shouldn't let a few people scare you off. Nor should you let a few people be total jerks.
In my original post, I was just trying to add to both sides of the argument -- admitting that I've thought, "Why doesn't that person just get over it?" but also saying I think that people move on in their own time. I should have added a thesis statement at the beginning to make this clear.
As for Ted, it's not the first time he's gone off on me. If this were elementary school, my dad would tell me he just has a crush on me. 
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"I have one great fear in my heart, that one day when they are turned to loving, they will find we are turned to hating." Alan Paton's Cry, the Beloved Country (I promise I read this before it was an Oprah book club book)
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(Date Posted:07/21/2003 03:06:24)
Reply to : phoenixgirl
Thanks guys.BlueFox, Nologoboy, and Chirpy, you all are reminders that this place is a very supportive place for the most part. In any group, there will always be people you don't jive with. You shouldn't let a few people scare you off. Nor should you let a few people be total jerks.
I don't think a lack of regularity should be interpretted as elitism. Some people are very involved at times of need, others remain to provide advice and support, and others move on, only to visit ocassionally. So what? I don't think the public verbal flogging was appropriate -- as was vocalized by several members. At the same time, everyone has their bad days / sensitive areas / drunk days. I've enjoyed some of ted's posts very much -- keep posting, but next time someone pisses you off, could you address them privately?
Here's to a brighter tomorrow.... cheers! <chink, chink> <gulp, gulp, gulp> <falls off chair...>
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(Date Posted:07/21/2003 21:48:48)
Reply to : phoenixgirl
I'm sorry.
I was way out of line.
I had a really, really, really bad weekend. (If you people only knew the shit I dealt with.)
I probably only spent 20 seconds even reading your post.
I drew my own conclusions and interpreted your post as I myself wanted to interpret it....true, I have a weirded-out misconception about you...I read half your posts, and I interpret them to mean that you're trying to convey that your shit don't stink, or you're condescending or whatever.
You took my unwarranted verbal attack in good grace. I actually felt ashamed when I got on here and saw your response....that you didn't take it personally, that you didn't fire back at me, that you didn't take it as an attack upon your true self. Shit, phoenix, I don't even know you...I shouldn't have said such preposterous, unwarranted, loose-cannon bullshit like that. But goddamn...whats the point of all this....one avatar and one screen name apologizing to another? I would say UGH! the humanity, but no humanity actually dwells here.
But still, I am sorry, I truly am. You don't have to forgive me or excuse my actions, but I just wanted you to know that I fully realize that I was out of line, and that my line of "attack" was groundless.
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(Date Posted:07/21/2003 23:55:53)
I have been too busy to keep up, which makes me mad, I will try to read up as soon as I can, because this is an important issue.
until then....
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Let's not vote for Bush again this year.
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(Date Posted:07/22/2003 01:04:06)
Thanks Ted. No hard feelings.
A year ago I might have taken your response more personally, but after a year of suffering the insults of angry 7th graders ("You suck!" "You're the dumbest teacher ever!" "I hate you!" "Goddamnit woman, fucking . . .") I've got a thicker skin despite my delicate constitution. My response to you was probably a bit condescending as well ("I'm disappointed in you . . ."), but let's just chalk it up to a teacher reflex.
You are right that conceit is a part of my personality. I don't think that has to be a bad thing, but it can be. Wouldn't we all rather like ourselves than not? But I do plan to work on having "no improper pride" as does Mr. Darcy in Pride and Prejudice (sigh, Colin Firth playing him, double sigh). I will try to avoid the fate of Narcissus, who became much more interesting to my students when I likened him to this horribly narcissistic guy I had seen on some MTV true life dating show.
Maybe I didn't get your meaning quite right, but I think humanity does dwell in this forum. Sure, we all feel a little sheepish about having approximations of friendships with people we've never seen, whose names we might not even know. This "flaming" crap wouldn't be a big deal if we weren't affected emotionally by each others' words. True, I don't really know you, but for what it's worth, I appreciate your apology.
Sorry to hear about your shitty weekend.
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"I am influenced at the present time by far higher considerations and by a nobler idea of duty than I ever was when I held the Evangelical belief." George Eliot
"I have one great fear in my heart, that one day when they are turned to loving, they will find we are turned to hating." Alan Paton's Cry, the Beloved Country (I promise I read this before it was an Oprah book club book)
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(Date Posted:07/22/2003 02:33:31)
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Hey phoenix, I enjoyed your response...it made me smile...and yes, it conveyed humanness....you seem to be a person who is very self-aware, conscientious, humble, and I mean that in a good way. Your post was PERSPICACIOUS(woohoo, big word man), well thought-out, it reflected some insightful musings on the nature of msg board "relations" in general, and it artfully toed the line between sincerity and sarcasm to such a degree that it left me without any definable clue as to how you truly feel about my outburst and subsequent apology.  (But all bullshitting aside, I am sorry. I usually enjoy your posts, but every once in a while, I get unreasonably irate and turn into a prick., as in this thread. I have issues, and lets be honest about it....I'm not even in a position to sit in judgment of you. At least you have your shit together...more than I can say for myself.)
But still....I don't think I looked as bad this time....as compared to the last time I verbally assaulted you. Remember that thread on "What's Your First Name" or whatever it was called....when I castigated you for giving your four-paragraph response in regard to why you didn't feel comfortable revealing your FIRST name to the folks on this forum? I accused you of viewing yourself as more "stalkworthy" than you could possibly be...I told you that you were taking extensive safety precautions that were worthy of an internationally-known Hollywood actress.....I was like, gimme a break. But still...that was fun...that was a har-de-har good time. Wait....can I say that?...am I allowed to look back on the the "old" days, or, is Internet message board technology still too new of a phenomenon that msg board "nostalgia" isn't yet possible? Oh well, I don't know.
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