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(Date Posted:04/04/2008 13:48:52)

  I don't know why - but I've jhust been thinking about things.  ABout how much drama we create in our own lives.  Almost like the idea of just having a quiet peaceful life can't be tolerated.  Keep things simple. 

It seems to me that religion just complicates something that should be very natural.

If you never heard anything about any religion, any god(s), spirituality, etc, I wonder if you would just naturally feel some connection to your surroundings or the earth, etc.  It seems to me that you would just feel comfortable and not have questions about where you came from or why, or if you did they wouldn't seem so pressing - just a fleeting thought or curiosity.

The power of suggestion, so to speak.  Religion lays out all these rules and parables and lessons and punishments and things we need to do, etc.  Maybe we just need to LIVE and everything will be fine.

I'm just so tired of people creating problems where none exist.

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RE:Religion is an excuse for drama
(Date Posted:04/05/2008 18:26:15)

Thinking seems to zap religion pretty quick......
I used to wonder why people liked to mess things up and create  needless strife and aggravation... My ex wife was compelled to inject grief and annoyance into everything.. she came from an affluent background and never had any real difficulties so she had to create scenarios where she could pretend that she was mastering the universe.......and also relieve boredom.

I work at a place full of idiots that really think that klugeing half assed semi fixs for problems is how you do things... no one ever thinks of creating systems so everything is done right the first time because that would spoil all the fun... these people are all alcoholics from dysfunctional backgrounds that like to medicate themselves with adrenaline and mutual masterbate about how great  they all handled an awful problem ( usually something that 15 seconds of rational thought could have precluded)... It is incredible to watch!

75% of religion is show biz......  so it has to be drama

Most people need drama and bullshit to keep them from really going kookoo it seems......

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RE:Religion is an excuse for drama
(Date Posted:04/06/2008 16:55:09)

Reply to sunspots (04/05/2008 4:26 PM)
Thinking seems to zap religion pretty quick......
I used to wonder why people liked to mess things up and create  needless strife and aggravation... My ex wife was compelled to inject grief and annoyance into everything.. she came from an affluent background and never had any real difficulties so she had to create scenarios where she could pretend that she was mastering the universe.......and also relieve boredom.

I work at a place full of idiots that really think that klugeing half assed semi fixs for problems is how you do things... no one ever thinks of creating systems so everything is done right the first time because that would spoil all the fun... these people are all alcoholics from dysfunctional backgrounds that like to medicate themselves with adrenaline and mutual masterbate about how great  they all handled an awful problem ( usually something that 15 seconds of rational thought could have precluded)... It is incredible to watch!

75% of religion is show biz......  so it has to be drama

Most people need drama and bullshit to keep them from really going kookoo it seems......


I love this reply!!

And only one thing to add. Drama - gossip - making a 'mountain out of a mole hill' - treating everything, every problem as if its a 'life or death' situation can be very funny to observe.
but
its not only the domain of the religious.

Adrenaline junkies within religious circles? Seems a bit like a contradiction to me....most of the day to day stuff of  being  a religious nut is so fucking boring?
Give em' the thrill of hell and satan  hey? ...or the titillation of committing a secret sin? Heheheh..the thrills you are having when you aren't having any thrills.


(Message edited by snakechic on 04/06/2008 16:57:32)

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

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RE:Religion is an excuse for drama
(Date Posted:04/06/2008 18:14:13)

If 'Religon is an excuse for drama' then

why not continue it and create needless 'drama' out of 'leaving it'?

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RE:Religion is an excuse for drama
(Date Posted:04/07/2008 08:10:23)

Reply to sunspots (04/05/2008 4:26 PM)
Thinking seems to zap religion pretty quick......
I used to wonder why people liked to mess things up and create  needless strife and aggravation... My ex wife was compelled to inject grief and annoyance into everything.. she came from an affluent background and never had any real difficulties so she had to create scenarios where she could pretend that she was mastering the universe.......and also relieve boredom.

I work at a place full of idiots that really think that klugeing half assed semi fixs for problems is how you do things... no one ever thinks of creating systems so everything is done right the first time because that would spoil all the fun... these people are all alcoholics from dysfunctional backgrounds that like to medicate themselves with adrenaline and mutual masterbate about how great  they all handled an awful problem ( usually something that 15 seconds of rational thought could have precluded)... It is incredible to watch!

75% of religion is show biz......  so it has to be drama

Most people need drama and bullshit to keep them from really going kookoo it seems......



I think I must know some of those people you work with.  Why do people insist on doing things the hard way?  I don't get it.

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RE:Religion is an excuse for drama
(Date Posted:04/07/2008 08:11:34)

Reply to snakechic (04/06/2008 4:14 PM)
If 'Religon is an excuse for drama' then

why not continue it and create needless 'drama' out of 'leaving it'?





Because I am completely sick and tired of drama.  I am actively working on eliminating drama from my life and just having some f*cking peace and quiet for a change.

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RE:Religion is an excuse for drama
(Date Posted:04/07/2008 16:35:46)

Reply to lsl_mss (04/07/2008 6:11 AM)
Reply to snakechic (04/06/2008 4:14 PM)
If 'Religon is an excuse for drama' then

why not continue it and create needless 'drama' out of 'leaving it'?





Because I am completely sick and tired of drama.  I am actively working on eliminating drama from my life and just having some f*cking peace and quiet for a change.


Hehehe...yeah. It was a retorical question but not without some social comment. I  can see the point of  your thread title -(love it)   - I think its a good observation. I think there seems to be a culture of drama (if you like) within religion, particularly the pointy end of the stick in christianity that some might call fundamentalism. I think that culture of drama IS carried onto the process of leaving it - things like referring to it as a dis ease almost. That's why I often mention that millions and millions - literally probably billions of people throughout the history of christianity have 'LEFT the church.
Yeah..the whole thing is a head fuck!

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

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