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(Date Posted:10/29/2007 17:07:50)

I can't believe this hasn't appeared on WAFF before.!http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htmCheck it out...a very comprehensive site....heaps of info. & from what I can make out...its doesn't push an alternative christianity nor is there a focus on the 'victim' remaining christian like some blogs. What makes this website - is that the person has first hand experiences and knows what its about. Thereare no biblical debatesbetween baptist representatives , which is also refreshing!This"little light"shines for the many other clergy abuse victims whose voices have been silenced. Silenced by shame. Silenced by the false instruction of religious leaders. Silenced by church shunning and bullying. Silenced by church contracts for secrecy. Silenced by suicide. The mission of StopBaptistPredators.org is to break the silence of Baptist clergy sex abuse.Convicted, confessed, or credibly accused:Paul WilliamsBob GrayTommy GilmoreDoug MyersLarry NeatheryLarry Reynolds................I'm glad more & more people are putting up webpages like this one...Read morehere>andhere>Mike Massar elected 1st-VP of Baptist General Convention of TexasDid he tell FBC-Tyler congregation that their prior children's minister was a known child molester?Or did he keep it secret?If your kids grew up in a church with a child-molesting minister, wouldn't you want to know?Read more >Who knew what and when did they know it at Trinity Baptist in Jacksonville, Florida?Founding pastor Bob Gray set for trial on child molestation charges. Now Trinity leader Tony Denton is also charged with multiple counts of child sex abuse.Don Boys sayscurrent pastor Tom Messer knew.Read more about Tony Dentonhereandhereandhere.Read more about thescandal of Trinity Baptist.Former Southern Baptist pastor is charged with wife's murderPastor of Crossroads Baptist and chaplain of a youth center in Waco, TX, and then a youth pastor in Kerrville. He sought "a romantic relationship" with daughter of music minister.Read more >andmore>Watch video >Southern Baptist officials claim they can't do anything about clergy child molesters because each Baptist church is purportedly autonomus. "We have no authority over local churches," they say.It's a bogus excuse.It's a smokescreen. It's also morally reprehensible for Baptist officials to use autonomy as a rationalization for leaving kids in harm's way rather than taking action to oust colleagues who prey on them.SNAP requestedthe creation of an independent objective review board to receive and consider reports about Baptist clergy sex abuse. It's what many other faith groups have done. Why can't Southern Baptists? [Read answers tofrequently asked questionsabout the independent review board request.]

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(Date Posted:10/29/2007 17:08:06)

I can't believe this hasn't appeared on WAFF before.!   http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm Check it out...a very comprehensive site....heaps of info. & from what I can make out...its doesn't push an alternative christianity  nor is there a focus  on the 'victim' remaining christian like some blogs. What makes this website - is that the person has first hand experiences and knows what its about . There are  no biblical debates between baptist representatives , which is also refreshing!

This "little light" shines for the many other clergy abuse victims whose voices have been silenced. Silenced by shame. Silenced by the false instruction of religious leaders. Silenced by church shunning and bullying. Silenced by church contracts for secrecy. Silenced by suicide. The mission of StopBaptistPredators.org is to break the silence of Baptist clergy sex abuse.

Convicted, confessed, or credibly accused:
Paul Williams Bob Gray Tommy Gilmore

................I'm glad more & more people are putting up webpages like this one...

Read more here> and here>

Mike Massar elected 1st-VP of Baptist General Convention of Texas

  • Did he tell FBC-Tyler congregation that their prior children's minister was a known child molester?
  • Or did he keep it secret?
  • If your kids grew up in a church with a child-molesting minister, wouldn't you want to know?

Read more >

Who knew what and when did they know it at
Trinity Baptist in Jacksonville, Florida?
Founding pastor Bob Gray set for trial on child molestation charges. Now Trinity leader Tony Denton is also charged with multiple counts of child sex abuse. Don Boys says current pastor Tom Messer knew.

Read more about Tony Denton here and here and here.

Read more about the scandal of Trinity Baptist.

Former Southern Baptist pastor is charged with wife's murder

Pastor of Crossroads Baptist and chaplain of a youth center in Waco, TX, and then a youth pastor in Kerrville. He sought "a romantic relationship" with daughter of music minister.

Read more > and more>

Watch video >

Southern Baptist officials claim they can't do anything about clergy child molesters because each Baptist church is purportedly autonomus. "We have no authority over local churches," they say.

It's a bogus excuse. It's a smokescreen. It's also morally reprehensible for Baptist officials to use autonomy as a rationalization for leaving kids in harm's way rather than taking action to oust colleagues who prey on them.

SNAP requested the creation of an independent objective review board to receive and consider reports about Baptist clergy sex abuse. It's what many other faith groups have done. Why can't Southern Baptists? [Read answers to frequently asked questions about the independent review board request.]

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God

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(Date Posted:10/30/2007 02:23:15)

Christa Brown's...Blog...Stop Baptist Predators Its mainly for clergy abuse survivors and those who seek information about Baptist clergy abuse.

Or things the baptists don't tell people in pews...!

Monday, October 29, 2007

BGCT provides counseling for clergy perpetrators

Since about 1990, the Baptist General Convention of Texas has provided counseling for clergy "to help them put their lives back together after sexual misconduct." And the BGCT has repeatedly defined "sexual misconduct" as "including child molestation."

So the BGCT provides readily available counseling for clergy perpetrators but it doesn't provide counseling for the clergy's victims. Instead, it insists that clergy abuse victims should ask for help from the church where the abuse took place, even though it knows full well that most churches "just try to keep it secret" and don't help the victims.

This BGCT duality drives me nuts: counseling for clergy perpetrators but none for clergy victims. I could go on and on about it, but for now, I've actually got a different dichotomy to talk about.

A while back, I had a lengthy email exchange with a prominent Texas Baptist who is considered by many to be one of the most knowledgeable Baptists in the country on the subject of clergy abuse. The BGCT frequently consults with him.

This man views clergy who commit "sexual misconduct" as falling into two categories: "predators" and "wanderers." So I began by telling him that I thought this academic dichotomy was being misused as a rationalization for denominational inaction. In effect, denominational leaders seem to avoid taking action against "predators" on the theory that they all may be mere "wanderers."

I reminded this man that I had been abused as a kid, as have many others, and I told him that the "wanderer" label could not ever be appropriate for clergy who abuse kids. For a minister to molest a kid is predatory. Period. To allow that such a minister might be considered a mere "wanderer" is to minimize a terrible crime, I said.

In response, this prominent Texas Baptist persisted in defending the predator/wanderer distinction. My point about clergy child molesters seemed to completely elude him.

Then he told me about a man "who for years counseled ministers for the BGCT" and who "indicated he had NEVER had a ?predator' come for help, but he had worked with numerous persons who fit the category we describe as a ?wanderer'."

I suppose he thought this bit of information might comfort me, as though it would prove how few in number the "predators" are because ALL the ministers who go through the BGCT's ministerial counseling service are mere "wanderers."

But I didn't see it that way. I saw that bit of information as another horrifying piece of the puzzle. It makes the BGCT's ministerial counseling service sound a lot like the sort of counseling that many Catholic bishops sent child molesting priests to. The bishops provided blind-eyed counselors who quietly treated the priests and then sent them back out for restoration to ministry.

Is that what has been happening for the past two decades with abusive Baptist ministers who got counseling provided by the BGCT? Was every single one of them a mere "wanderer" who got restored to ministry?

In the course of the same email, this prominent Texas Baptist repeatedly referred to clergy sex abuse as "moral failure," "moral trangression," "sexual immorality," and "sexual misconduct." Then he ended by saying "I have NEVER known anyone to excuse or minimize the sexual misconduct of a person."

I feel as though I should hold up a mirror for this prominent Texas Baptist.

The reason he has "NEVER known anyone" to minimize it is because he simply doesn't see the minimization when it happens. He doesn't see the minimization even when he himself does it with his own language.

It's no wonder Texas Baptists are so far off the mark in how they address clergy sex abuse. Their most prominent leaders and advisers just don't get it.

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God

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RE:StopBaptistPredators.org
(Date Posted:03/03/2008 15:10:14)

yep...I checked again - I did post both of her sites.


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RE:StopBaptistPredators.org
(Date Posted:03/19/2008 16:20:10)

If you listed all the crimes perpertrated by the 'clergy' or church goers - you'd fill this forum and many others  in no time...



I think its importanat to point out that Charles Shiffett is NOT the only Baptist up on charges this year! Far from it!
There is a miserable amount  of sexual offendence listed on this site alone  - lots of news and activities
check out the list but its likely this list is not complete

Btw...there is much more on....http://exchristian.net/2/2006/01/local-pastor-in-trouble-with-law.html



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2007 News

2006 and earlier News

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Group wants names of accused clergy published, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, 3/19/08

Man pleads not guilty to sex charges, 3/15/08 (Timothy Scott Richerson)

Ex-music minister in Alabama charged with Maryland sex crime, 3/15/08 (Timothy Mann)

Abuse arrest prompts resignation of Alabama Baptist music ministerEthicsDaily, 3/14/08 (Timothy Mann)

Hoover man facing child abuse, sex offense charges was adjunct professor at Samford University, 3/14/08 (Timothy Mann)

Sexual assault case may involve multiple victims, 3/14/08 (Keith Daniel Kiger)

Pastor 'groomed' teen for sex, suit says, 3/11/08 (Jeremy Benack)(Jim Guenther, general counsel for the SBC, says "And if we knew anything about it, we could not have provided any relief or prevention.")

Murder or suicide? 20/20 investigates, ABC 20/20, 3/7/08 (Matt Baker)

"Did this Baptist preacher kill his wife?" Texas Monthly, 3/1/08 (Matt Baker)

Advocate says theology of submission hampers Southern Baptist response to sexual abuse by clergy, EthicsDaily, 2/29/08

Gilyard waives pretrial appearance, 2/27/08 (Darrell Gilyard)

Article says preacher charged with killing wife a sexual predator, EthicsDaily, 2/26/08 (Matt Baker)

Gilyard's former counselor speaks, 2/26/08 (Darrell Gilyard)(video)

Judge says sexual abuse case involving repressed memory may proceed, EthicsDaily, 2/25/08 (Bob Gray / Trinity Baptist)

SNAP leaders ask Patterson to apologize for 'evil-doers' remark, EthicsDaily, 2/22/08

Ex-pastor charged with sexual assault, 2/22/08 (Stephen Emerson Elliott)

Baptism by Fire, Nashville Scene, 2/21/08

Pentecostal preacher Sherman Allen turns out to be Reverend Spanky, 2/21/08 (COGIC, Sherman Allen)

Executive committee still studying feasibility of clergy sex-offender database, EthicsDaily, 2/20/08

With Friends Like These..., Nashville Scene, 2/18/08 (Paige Patterson and Steve Gaines line up speaking engagements for each other.)

SBC seminary president labels clergy sex-abuse victims' group 'Evil-Doers', EthicsDaily, 2/15/08

What would Jesus say? Nashville Scene, 2/14/08

Student testifies of bizarre abuse, 2/14/08 (Royden Wood, Ambassador Baptist, Ontario, CA)

Alleged teen victim testifies in sex abuse case, 2/13/08 (Paul Shives)(video)(The girl confided in her chorus teacher; Shives' friends were in the courtroom wearing stickers in support.)

Grand jury indicts Missouri pastor on sex charges, 2/13/08 (Raymond Lambert)

Church pastor indicted in McDonald County, MO, 2/12/08 (Raymond Lambert)

Deacon on trial for sexually assaulting teen, 2/12/08 (Paul Shives)

Decision coming soon on Trinity lawsuit, 2/11/08 (Bob Gray)

Alleged sex victims seek healing, 2/10/08 (Jacksonville)(video)

Ex-teacher told to pay $3 million for sex abuse, 2/8/08 (Charles Andrews)

Fremont man faces rape charges, 2/6/08 (Clayton E. Russell)

Gilyard pleads not guilty to lewdness charge, EthicsDaily, 2/6/08 (Darrell Gilyard)

Jacksonville pastor's attorney enters not guilty plea, 2/5/08 (Darrell Gilyard)

Former Shiloh pastor pleads not guilty, 2/5/08 (Darrell Gilyard)

Pastor indicted in child assault, 2/5/08 (George O. Lowe)

Midlands teacher, 'CharmingTim-75', to face charges in Virginia, WISTV, 1/29/08 (Timothy Lynn Brumit)

Bond denied for SC teacher accused of sending a boy child porn, WISTV, 1/29/08 (Timothy Lynn Brumit)(video)

Southern Baptist youth minister indicted on molestation charges, EthicsDaily, 1/29/08

Sex charges against Bullitt youth pastor dismissed, 1/29/08 (Clayton James Pruett)

Huckabee speaks via phone to church despite clergy sex-abuse scandal, EthicsDaily, 1/28/08

SC minister and high school teacher accused of disctributing child porn, WISTV, 1/25/08 (Timothy Lynn Brumit)

Youth minister indicted for sex crimes, 1/25/08 (Christopher Decaire)

Huckabee cancels church visit after sex-abuse victims protest, Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 1/25/08

Huckabee cancels visit to First Coast church, First Coast News, 1/25/08

Huckabee won't be coming to preach, Florida Times-Union, 1/25/08

Huckabee not speaking at church mired in sex-abuse scandal, EthicsDaily, 1/25/08

Huckabee not planning to speak at Westside church, News4Jax, 1/24/08

Huckabee schedules campaign stop at church in center of clergy sex-abuse scandal, EthicsDaily, 1/23/08 (Trinity Baptist, Jacksonville)

Former Austin minister sentenced in sexual assault of minor, 1/23/08 (Jerry Dale Carver)

Church deals with sex arrest, 1/19/08 (Christopher Decaire)

Arizona Baptist youth minister charged, former Texas deacon sentenced, for sexual abuse, EthicsDaily, 1/18/08 (Christopher Decaire / Stephen Douglas Livingston)

'Not guilty' verdict for Fresno pastor, 1/18/08 (Charles Dickerson)

Church members start healing process, 1/17/08 (Christopher Decaire)(video)

Ex-deacon guilty in sex assault of girl, 6, 1/16/08 (Stephen Douglas Livingston)

Stephen Livingston sentenced to a total of 37 years in prison, KIII-TV, 1/16/08 (Stephen Livingston)

Former pastor arrested on charges he sent lewd text messages to 14-year- old girl, EthicsDaily, 1/16/08 (Darrell Gilyard)

Tucson youth pastor accused of sex crimes, 1/15/08 (Christopher Decaire)

Gilyard's former mentor embarrassed, Fox30 News, 1/15/08 (Darrell Gilyard / Paige Patterson)(Patterson describes Gilyard's prior conduct as "less than circumspect.")

Gilyard charged on texts to teen, Florida Times-Union, 1/15/08 (Darrell Gilyard)

Local pastor arrested; national religious leader accused of turning a blind eye, 1/15/08 (Darrell Gilyard / Paige Patterson)(with video)

Former pastor charged with lewd conduct, 1/14/08 (Darrell Gilyard)(with video)

Girl says she was 'too scared' to tell, 1/11/08 (Stephen Douglas Livingston)(see video)

Paige Patterson denies turning blind eye to clergy sex abuse, EthicsDaily, 1/11/08

Gilyard, once darling of SBC elites, again forced to resign over sex, ABP, 1/11/08

Baptist pastor on trial for molestation gets boost when witnesses recant, EthicsDaily, 1/11/08 (Charles Dickerson)

Court papers say why teen targeted for abuse by teacher, 1/11/08 (Jason Stainaker / Capitol Baptist School, Delaware)

Group claims North Texas pastor overlooked abuse, WFAA-TV, 1/10/08 (Paige Patterson's role in Darrell Gilyard story)(with video)

SNAP calls for suspension, investigation of seminary president's link to accused predator, EthicsDaily, 1/10/08 (Paige Patterson / Darrell Gilyard)

Group wants seminary leader suspended, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, 1/10/08 (Paige Patterson's role in Darrell Gilyard story)

Sexual molestation trial begins for Valley pastor, KMPH-26, 1/10/08 (Charles Dickerson)(with video)

Man testifies Fresno pastor abused him, 1/10/08 (Charles Dickerson)

Big Spring trustees to consider action on complaint against superintendent, 1/10/08 (Michael Downes)(First Baptist Church in Lefors, TX)

Bullitt youth pastor in sex abuse case sues girl's mother, 1/8/08 (Clayton James Pruett)

Blog solicits reports about accused preacher predator, EthicsDaily, 1/8/08 (Darrell Gilyard)(Two former SBC presidents, Jerry Vines & Paige Patterson, had significant information, but failed to protect others.)

Pastor resigns amid sex allegations, 1/7/08 (with video)(Darrell Gilyard)

Pastor accused of sexual abuse, headed to prison, 1/3/08 (Scott Hoppe)

 

 
    


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RE:StopBaptistPredators.org
(Date Posted:07/01/2008 20:49:35)





Don't Forget to take into account ALL the other Baptist Churches around ...its Good to have a broader look at the problem of child abuse within the Baptist church in general...

It could be happening right inside your own church! Don't assume anything - particularly that your child is safe!

and don't blame it ALL on just the Independents - that's just too silly.

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in th