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(Date Posted:10/29/2006 03:46:17)

Who is your favorite American Terrorist?As a by the by......I love the idea that songs like this are being recorded byLupe Fiascocalled 'american terrorist'...great lyrics....American TerroristLyricsClose your mind close your eyes see with your heart how do you forgive the murderer of your father? the ink of a scholar is worth a thousand times more than the blood of a martyr we came through the storm nooses on our necks and a smallpox blanket to keep us warm on a 747 on the pentagon lawn wake up the alarm clock is connected to a bomb anthrax lab on a w. virginia farm shorty aint learned to walk already heavily armed civilians and little children is especially harmed camoflouged torahs, bibles and glorious qurans the books that take you to heaven and let you meet the Lord there have become misinterpreted, reasons for warfare we read em with blind eyes i guarantee u there's more there the rich must be blind b/c they didnt see the poor there need to open up a park, just close 10 schools we dont need em can u please call the fire department they're down here marchin for freedom burn down their TV's, turn their TV's on to teach em CHORUS now the poor klu klux man c that we're all brothers not b/c things are the same b/c we lack the same color that's green, now that's mean cant burn his cross cause he cant afford the gasoline now if a muslim woman strapped with a bomb on a bus with the seconds running give you the jitters? just imagine a American-based christian orginization planning to poison water supplies to bring the second-coming quicker nigga they aint livin properly break em off a little democracy turn their whole culture to a mockery give em coca-cola for their property give em gum, give em guns, get em young, giv em fun if they aint givin it up, then they aint gettin none and dont giv em all naw ,man, just give em some its the paper, then these cops must be al-qaeda CHORUS(2X) It's like don't give the black man food, give red man liquor red man fool, black man nigga give yellow man tool, make him railroad builda also give him pan, make him pull gold from river give black man crack, glocks to teens, give red man craps, slot machines...back to the question.....one of my favorites is good ol'Richard Nixonwho basically "got away with it." - that's my man! almost miss him dontcha?but I'm more 'sceeeted' of the evangelicals, fundamentalists, and followers of gawdalmighty!speciallyones inlarge crowds like this....or in very small groupsor individuals like this...religious freakPastorjeffrey LundgrensourceLUCASVILLE, Ohio (AP)? Ohio executed a religious cult leader Tuesday for murdering a family of five followers he thought were not enthusiastic enough about his teachings.Jeffrey Lundgren, 56, died by injection at 10:26 a.m. at the Southern Ohio Correctional Facility.Gov. Bob Taft alsodenied clemencyTuesday morning for Jeffrey Lundgren, who tried to convince a jury 16 years ago that he was a prophet of God and therefore could not be given the death penalty."It's not a figment of my imagination that I can in fact talk to God, that I can hear his voice," he had told the jurors. "I am a prophet of God. I am even more than a prophet."Lundgren's argument didn't sway them. The jury recommended the cult leader be executed for the killings of Dennis Avery, 49; his wife, Cheryl, 46; and their daughters, Trina, 15, Rebecca, 13, and 7-year-old Karen.Story continueslast wordsfrom death row ...."None greater than thee, Lord."- great ! the fucker's repent so all the folks back home get to feel good after the society they support kill them. (its a mad world)one last comment......How come the murderer is labeled 'cult leader'........after the crime but 'pastor' before it?Its all in the defining hey?thanks for reading...bye

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(Date Posted:11/01/2006 18:54:44)

You know why Jeffery Lundgren felt compelled to murder the Averys one by one?

I saw the entire story on "Amercian Justice" and according to sources within the cult, Alice wore "the pants in the family" and that was an unpardonable sin in the eyes of the chauvinisitc Lungdren.

So he decided that they didn't deserve to breath the air.

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(Date Posted:11/01/2006 20:09:02)

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I saw the entire story on "Amercian Justice" and according to sources within the cult, Alice wore "the pants in the family" and that was an unpardonable sin in the eyes of the chauvinisitc Lungdren.




If you're at all interested in the details of the case, I'd recomend reading Killer Cults by James Boyle. He does a good job of addressing the the entire case, including backgrounds of those involved. If you're into real crime books, I'd recomend it highly.
According to Boyle, Lungdren wasn't just chauvanistic, he was a bully (had been from the time he was a kid) and a major control freak. Also according to the book, he had been mentioning the need for blood scarifices by his followers for some time before the killings. It was in fact, one of the holds he had over them; whenever people expressed concerns he would mention a list of names the lord had told him were possibles for sacrifice, with clear implications for the questioner. As other cult leaders have also learned, fear of death is a VERY effective tool for controling an unruly congregation.

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(Date Posted:11/07/2006 00:23:28)

thanks for the linkies and info Lybra & Darkhorse......*waves*

I have a morbid fasination with the serial killer....love the movies and dark tales..............................................................................still thinking of the last thread here.......I wonder how come there are more 'male' serial killer's than female ones?

or is that 'nature takin chances'..........................interesting thou'......sociopaths seem to be male? I mean...............the religous clergy won't give females a chance to become 'leaders'...& therefore achieve the same heights of criminal insanity as the men folk have throughout religous and social history. (that was sacrasm)

PS.....the best 'serial killer' in history in my humble opinion have been patted on the back for exterminating socially unacceptable or expendible populations such as various populations of indigenous people -  the American Indians in the US....and the Aborginal in Aust.

Its so ludicrous

these 'criminals' are heros' for fucksake....

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(Date Posted:11/07/2006 09:33:08)

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...still thinking of the last thread here.......I wonder how come there are more 'male' serial killer's than female ones?or is that 'nature takin chances'..........................interesting thou'......sociopaths seem to be male? I mean...............the religous clergy won't give females a chance to become 'leaders'...& therefore achieve the sameheights of criminal insanity as the men folk have throughout religous and social history. (that was sacrasm)

Just push her button and watch her go...

She's 10 times more fun than TMX Elmo! 

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(Date Posted:11/08/2006 00:11:45)

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Reply to : Snakey...still thinking of the last thread here.......I wonder how come there are more 'male' serial killer's than female ones?or is that 'nature takin chances'..........................interesting thou'......sociopaths seem to be male? I mean...............the religous clergy won't give females a chance to become 'leaders'...& therefore achieve the sameheights of criminal insanity as the men folk have throughout religous and social history. (that was sacrasm)Just push her button and watch her go...She's 10 times morefun than TMX Elmo!

Fuck off!

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thankyou for the compliment.

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-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God

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(Date Posted:11/08/2006 18:14:55)

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I wonder how come there are more 'male' serial killer's than female ones?or is that 'nature takin chances'..........................interesting thou'......




According to everything I've read on the subject (and I'm just a curious layperson, NOT an expert) women are more likely to intenalize anger and aggression, harming themselves rather than others. That and the common knowlege runs that women kill for two primary reasons, either money or revenge. That's the reason female serial killers are so rare as to be newsworthy.
I don't include self-defense in the list for obvious reasons.

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(Date Posted:11/11/2006 23:25:45)

I think you're right Lybra...

I hope women can get a handle on 'anger' and get to express it in a more productive way than turn in on themselves.

Relgious teaching hasn't been very good for people - anger seems to be something most xians & ex xians confuse and perfer to dissassociate from....hence perhaps the terrible events that xian (fundies) end up committing because there was no one around for them to really talk about stuff like PMT or PNDepression....perceived failures..etc...etc...

Also....I think its a cultural thang....how people express themselves. For example, most American's find Australian's 'angry and rude'...confusing being open, honest and relaxed........like me....

while Australian's...*mwah included, sometimes take american's as being "arrogant and tightarsed"....

 

(its all good fun....  )

P.S. SUper......saying 'fuckoff' to a mate is considered as 'normal' chitchat by Australian's - well obviously not by xians thou'.....how the fuck are ya? Not offended I hope!

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

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