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(Date Posted:10/27/2006 13:02:51)

Evidently, that's the politically correct term now,even though there are only about 100 on the face of the entire planet. I'd estimatethat fewerthan 10% would even be able to differentiate between "idiot" and "autistic." They werealwayscalled "idiot savants" when I was in school. Anyway, I was watching a documentary-type video on YouTube just the other night,and I suddenly realized thatevery idiot savantthat I've ever learned about, whether in highschool or college, has always been a male.And so, then,I looked it up on Wikipedia, and sure enough, I found that of the current famous autistic savants listed, only 1 out of 24 is female. That's slightly more than 4%. Their abilities are truly amazing, almost "supernatural." Of course, there are the disabilities as well...My question is:Why the huge disparity between males and females when it comes to autistic savants?

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(Date Posted:11/05/2006 06:53:54)

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My question is: Why the huge disparity between males and females when it comes to autistic savants?




One of the reasons I've heard for the disparity is that nature is more willing to take chances with males than with females. After all, one male with better genes can outbreed the lesser males and push them out of the gene pool. If nature is willing to take more chances, then perhaps that accounts for the increased percentage of men at the extremes of the bell curve (i.e., more Rainmen and more Alan Turings).

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(Date Posted:11/05/2006 23:10:26)

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(Date Posted:11/07/2006 00:10:13)

Don't be so sure.....

You guys are so 'insecure'....that you are trying to 'prove' your 'intelligence' over & above the female....

Geesh....how cute!

to me its a bit like a christian fundy trying to out 'prove' the existence of a TEE Rex......So what do you recon?......Are more male fossils are found than female? (retorical question)

 

 

as a by and by..................................Autism isn't really a 'great' attribute for the survival of the species....but heck what do I know ...I'm a female. Nice way to put it thou'....'if nature is willing to take more chances with the male'.......

Very creative turn of phrase to describe the 'weak' male characteristics.................silly little annoying things.....like colour blindness.......bleeding to death at a pin prick.

I wonder why its all 'nature'..................Last I read that old debate 'Nature vs Nuture' hadn't been decided yet.....

yeah...so taking 'nurture' into account means ya can also 'blame' your foibles on ya mother.....or parents if you want to be PC about it....

 

 

 

 I did see a movie awhile back......that featured an autistic couple.

Thinking aloud.......with all the fasination with 'terrorism' and scientific examination of the human being..........perhaps the military can make us of certain traits more than others.................the possiblities are endless.......imagine!

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(Date Posted:11/07/2006 07:25:12)

Supertzar:

Thanks for the link to the article. I'd read it a long time ago, too, but had lost track of it. Thanks for the reminder so I can add it back into my bookmarks.

The National Autistic Society in the UK has an interesting write-up on the differences between males and females with autism.
http://www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1049&a=3370
What I found especially interesting was that girls may be better at masking autism with their better verbal skills, which would then make them harder to diagnose. Perhaps there is a greater percentage of autistic girls than we realize. There are a few other hypotheses mentioned in there, too. It's fascinating stuff, and just shows how little we really understand about the brain as of yet. But there's been some amazing progress in the last 75 years or so.

Snakechic:

I'm not sure how what I wrote earlier led to me asserting male intelligence over female intelligence. I was specifically writing about the very exceptional ends of the intelligence spectrum, both the exceptionally brilliant and the exceptionally retarded. A greater percentage of men will be found at both of those extremes (say the top and bottom .01% or so), but outside of those extremes there isn't any real difference between men and women.

Females of most species will usually have a gestation period were they cannot mate, and sometimes a period after birth where they raise the offspring and do not mate. The males of those species are typically not under those types of restrictions and can continue mating during the female's gestation and in the offsprings' early life. The males at the very low ends of the spectrum do not have a chance to breed and are left out of the gene pool. The exceptionally gifted males have a greater chance to pass on their genes because they can mate with many more females, and the females cannot because of the time spent in gestating and nurturing the young.

{I've avoided personifying evolution so far, but in order to wrap this up somewhat quickly I'll have to do it.} So, in evolution's view, perhaps it is more important to have good females rather than exceptional females due to the times when they cannot breed, and roll the dice with the males since they can keep breeding, passing along their better Y chromosomes for better male offspring and their better X chromosomes for better female offspring.

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(Date Posted:11/08/2006 00:00:03)

No worries Webguy!

My last comment was made spontaneously - a knee jerk reaction. Which I enjoy making but at the same time there's a risk to other's feelings. i trust all is well - silly of me to get into that battle of the sexes thing here ....I wasn't quiet sure  how to respond to the question thou'......."why are there more male than female savants?" Like I said that seems to be a common occurrence in male health issues

 These days thou'....the guys that seem to get more 'goes at 'it' -(rumpie pumpie) are  not particularly granted exceptional intelligence by 'nature' or 'nurture'..... okay. ...maybe in soccer or cricket ?Typical 'hottie'  David Beckham (one of his kids has epilepsy....so you can't tell if the guy will make good 'breeding' stock)

David Beckham in GQ 07/2002 Idiot !

anyway......

Autism is an interesting subject - very new to me & It seems to me at least that more kids are being diagnosed, more people with autism are making news and generally autism seems to be on the increase?

I'm a bit of a skeptic - that any kind of social problem that a boy (less likely for a girl) may exhibit will mean that a label of 'autism' is slapped on his report card. Yeah...and the 'truly amazing' abilities that 'gifted' people  exhibit will also mean a diagnosed disability? Lets face it....the label of disabilty is not a 'positive' in our society.

I dunno.......I don't much like this apparent new trend of labeling - diagnosing and sticking people in a tight medical box that could be wrong. Looking on the bright side thou'....at least 'they' don't burn witches anymore.

Yeah Super Ellen sounds cool She looks like she loves it too.

There's also a neat ability that some people have....of seeing numbers as colours (or something like that)....apparently it makes them 'genius' material in math - its not related to 'autism'

Man that's a huge word.....'autism'..................the majority of kids with that kind condition end up needing to be placed in community care. The parents cannot cope as they grow - often they are violent. I guess the 'savant' stuff is relately rare. I hear also that there are pretty good programs available - therapies from overseas that help. Pity the average family can't afford or gain access to it. I think the 'savant' stuff is fairly rare.

Lastly........to me it seems that 'gifted' kids/people are not valued in our system. They mostly have to fight to get the education etc. that they need.

But yeah....I didn't know how to respond...I sometimes feel that people who have disabilities are looked on by society as 'freaks'...

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