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(Date Posted:05/30/2007 10:37:35)

Yep! ...I'd watch it. Very strange idea....& a very strange & yet powerful position for the 'donor' to be in. She gets to play the idea that is 'GOD" - who lives & who dies. ( & will 'god' stand for that)? Nope.Outcry over TV kidney competitionS BO S IIMAThe show comes from Big Brother creators EndemolE IIMA S SFA Dutch TV station says it will go ahead with a programme in which a terminally ill woman selects one of three patients to receive her kidneys.Political parties have called for The Big Donor Show to be scrapped, but broadcaster BNN says it will highlight the country's shortage of organ donors."It's a crazy idea," said Joop Atsma, of the ruling Christian Democrat Party."It can't be possible that, in the Netherlands, people vote about who's getting a kidney," he told the BBC. E SFThe programme, from Big Brother creators Endemol, is due to be screened on Friday night.'Totally unacceptable'S IIMASpecialists in kidney transplants have condemned the programmeE IIMA The 37-year-old donor, identified only as Lisa, will make her choice based on the contestants' history, profile and conversation with their family and friends.Viewers will also be able to send in their advice by text message during the 80-minute show.The Dutch donor authority has condemned the show, as have kidney specialists in the UK."The scenario portrayed in this programme is ethically totally unacceptable," said Professor John Feehally, who has just ended his term as president of the UK's Renal Association."The show will not further understanding of transplants," he added. "Instead it will cause confusion and anxiety."S IBOXHAVE YOUR SAYI thought organ recipients were chosen on who is the closest match, not who the donor likes the mostSteve Davies, Romford, UKS ILINSend us your commentsE ILINE IBOX Professor Feehally also pointed out that, under normal circumstances, two people would benefit from a donor, each receiving one kidney."The set up of the programme bears no relationship to the way decisions are made about transplants in the real world," he said."Living donors can choose altruistically to give one of their kidneys - usually to a family member."If organs become available after someone dies, health professionals with access to detailed information about those waiting for a transplant make objective decisions about who should receive those particular kidneys."'Shocking'S IIMABNN chairman Laurens Drillich has defended the showE IIMA The former director of TV station BNN, Bart de Graaff, died from kidney failure aged 35 after spending years on a transplant waiting list."The chance for a kidney for the contestants is 33%," said the station's current chairman, Laurens Drillich. "This is much higher than that for people on a waiting list.""We think that is disastrous, so we are acting in a shocking way to bring attention to this problem.""For years and years we have had problems in the Netherlands with organ donations and especially kidney donations," agreed Alexander Pechtold of D-66, the Dutch social liberal party."You can have a discussion about if this is distasteful, but finally we have a public debate," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.TV critics in the UK have expressed horror at the programme, but said such a show would be unlikely in Britain."My first reaction, probably everyone's reaction, is that this is as dangerously near as we've got to a TV programme playing God," said Julia Raeside of the Guardian newspaper."People may live or die on the result of a game show. It's a step too far."I don't think this is anything to do with reality TV. It's just a crazy idea that would never play out over here."The outcry comes at a difficult time for production company Endemol, who were censured by Ofcom last week for their handling of the Celebrity Big Brother racism row.The Australian version of Big Brother has also drawn criticism for not telling a contestant that her father had died.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6699847.stmI like to watch BB.....there's a young christian woman this year as a contestant - she's being nominated for having her 'head in the clouds'.. its quite funny!........she's coming to grips with the idea that not everyone in the whole place naturally 'loves' her or appreciates her 'moral' values of wanting to care for everyone. She comes across as a bit of dipshit.

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(Date Posted:06/19/2007 17:29:45)

Didn't take much time to read through this properly as I'm in the library using the internet as my computer has crashed though I have heard about this as it was discussed on television.  I think it is sick though the argument is that it will bring the problem of the shortage of donated kidneys greater awareness.  This is just a silly excuse.  Why doesn't the government change the rules so that people can opt out of donating body parts particularly kidneys on death rather opting in which is something that the next of kin can overturn out of grief.


Endemol is a sick organisation that should be disbanded as it wants to push the barriers further and further in television programme making.  It's responsible for Big Brother which is a carbuncle on the face of modern society apart from the fact it is screened at the time of year when people want to be out and about and not staying in every night watching television with the lighter evenings and warmer weather and gets longer and more disturbing every year.  Big Brother used to be a social experiment and 'ordinary' people would be placed in the house to see what would happen.  Now people are picked deliberately who would clash.  For instance they would never place a born again christian in there or somebody over the age of forty but now they do because they think it's fun seeing them struggling to tolerate and clashing with lap dancers, gay guys, and other feisty characters.  I stopped watching it years' ago but it's in your face on the front cover of celebrity rag mags in shops and talked about on radio.

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(Date Posted:06/21/2007 08:03:36)

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Yep! ...I'd watch it. Very strange idea....& a very strange & yet powerful position for the 'donor' to be in.






Eww. Just eww.

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(Date Posted:06/24/2007 04:17:03)

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Eww. Just eww.




Apparently the whole thing was just a hoax. The show wasn't really going to happen. It was set up to highlight the issue of organ transplant and to make the critics of the proposed show re think or think.


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Organ transplants is a highly emotive issue.............its like if you don't agree to it ..you are judged as a bad person...but as the show revealed...peoples judgement of organ transplant can be manipulated. .....bit like the meat industry. People don't want to think of their steak coming to them from the pain / death at the abattoir of a cute cow or whatever animal you have on your dinner plate.


So what so wrong about the details of the transaction of giving or agreeing to be a donor....being in the hands of the people in question...rather than sanitised (& profited) only by the medical profession.


The whole thing...is open to abuse - either way?


I didn't know it was a set up when I first posted the story...but I can get into it. I don't like the idea of organ transplant. ..its creepy. I haven't agreed to it....nor would I if I had a medical condition.  Its yukky...and as you say'...eww!  Death is inevitable...wots the problem? Do we want to live in a society that seeks to prevent all death & disease?


crazy.....I don't much like the IVF progam either....aren't their enough babies being born i the world?


 


P.s.....not that I find a problem with stem cell research ...I don't. I just don't like the body parts business....or its use of animal parts ...yuk!

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(Date Posted:06/29/2007 05:08:47)

Competing on a game show for money or material possessions is one thing, competing for survival is simply a harbinger of the fall of civilization.


We're supposed to be above that crap.

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(Date Posted:06/29/2007 06:48:41)


I love that old, familiar .... "HIGH MORAL GROUND'...stance.!



 








Competing on a game show for money or material possessions is one thing, competing for survival is simply a harbinger of the fall of civilization.


We're supposed to be above that crap.








 


"we're"'....... since when? Competition for survival..is what the global economy is all about...the world's resources are deemed to be  in the 'rightful' hands. Ask any American to give up their gas guzzler....or paying more for their tank full, less often.... instead of raging war in Iraq? 


Money can buy you a womb in the USA...the human body is the  material possession.....from the huge sums the incarceration Industry (locking up bodies).. to the old tradition of sex work....work in general..........or  sponsoring a 'poor african child'...to body parts...




 

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

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