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ted5870
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(Date Posted:01/13/2003 19:43:16)
America's obsession with sex? Studies of monkeys reveal that their sexual activity is much greater in cages than in the jungle; in other words, captivity leads to sex as compensation for lack of liberty--no doubt the same principle applies to human beings.
--Robert Ardrey, African Genesis
Thats pretty much what I've always believed, though I never went thru the trouble to articulate it to myself. Even though a guy may have someone to sleep with...he may still feel some strange compulsion to masturbate to Internet porn two or three times per day. I've always known that there was some sort of compensation lying beneath....I mean, for even the most virile of men....there is no biological NEED to have three or four ejaculations per day.
Maybe some people don't give it much thought...but I always feel acutely or peripherally aware that our society is over-structuralized, over-industrialized, and over-technologized. Ultimately, we really don't have that much control over the outcome of our lives. We gotta be a part of that system, a cog in the wheel. Sex as freedom, a form of liberation, it really doesn't sound too far fetched to me. I think that being oversexed has less to do with hormones and is more a response to feeling constricted and feeling captive.
For me, the desire to be promiscuous or to engage in animalistic sex has always seemed to be a sort of remedy for existential angst. When having primal, animalistic sex....it does feel liberating...so natural...your body feels as if it is doing what nature intended it to do, just as natural as eating or breathing or sleeping. While getting your freak on, you don't worry and obsess over your life or your place in society...you feel that you are doing exactly what you were put on Earth to do. That feels really good. At least in my case...I'm not sure what my role in life is, what I want to do with my life...sometimes I can feel disillusioned or out of place. But never when I'm having sex. When I'm having sex, I may as well be an eagle soaring over a mountain lake...thats how free it makes me feel. Thats what makes me feel as if I'm living a purely instinctual life, the life of an animal. Thats what makes me feel as if I exist in the natural world, and not as some cog in the wheel of the rat race.
The necktie is the symbol of subjection and slavery. I think of all these single, frustrated, alcoholic guys who work in cubicles. Air conditioning, break room vending machines, taking orders from a bunch of assholes all day.....these cubicle-working-men probably get to spend less than an hour out in the fresh air and sunshine during any given workweek. (Captivity!!) Goddamn....no wonder they come home every day and mix a stiff whiskey and coke....and no wonder they spend half their evenings jerking off to Internet porn. No wonder their gonads resemble a couple of raisins. I think we're all a bunch of captives, but I think that we've all gotten pretty much used to it.
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Cyranothe2nd
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(Date Posted:01/14/2003 03:08:11)
Dude, I better never see my fucking cat doing that...drinking my beer! Goddammit. Get off your furry ass and buy your own goddam beer, lazy masterbater!
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haikupoet
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(Date Posted:01/14/2003 04:34:07)
Reply to : ted5870
Perhaps the issue here is that depression needs some sort of release, and thus depressed people are hornier than others? I know of late I have really, really needed to get some, but I'm not the type of guy that can just go out and get it.
Seems like there's something about the chemistry of sex that connects it to depression... I wonder if there's been any studies on it. It certainly clouds your judgement about who you'd sleep with.
/Brian
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haikupoet
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(Date Posted:01/14/2003 04:53:36)
Reply to : brakthepoet
Yeah, haikupoet, the whole thing does seem to have gone a little flaccid. Are shameless bumps for threads considered Viagra for Aimoo?
hey, I just want a naked woman in front of me who isn't getting singles thrown at her to be that way, is that so wrong?!?!?
:-)
feeling irrelevant,
/Brian
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freebird75
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(Date Posted:01/15/2003 07:12:31)
Reply to : ted5870
>For me, the desire to be promiscuous or to engage in animalistic sex has always seemed to be a sort of remedy for existential angst. When having primal, animalistic sex....it does feel liberating...so natural...your body feels as if it is doing what nature intended it to do, just as natural as eating or breathing or sleeping. While getting your freak on, you don't worry and obsess over your life or your place in society...you feel that you are doing exactly what you were put on Earth to do. That feels really good. At least in my case...I'm not sure what my role in life is, what I want to do with my life...sometimes I can feel disillusioned or out of place. But never when I'm having sex. When I'm having sex, I may as well be an eagle soaring over a mountain lake...thats how free it makes me feel. Thats what makes me feel as if I'm living a purely instinctual life, the life of an animal. Thats what makes me feel as if I exist in the natural world, and not as some cog in the wheel of the rat race.<
I so hear you here... hey, you've just taken words out of my head and expressed them so perfectly. I feel exactly the same. And I've been wondering why being animalistic feels so good...
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ted5870
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(Date Posted:01/16/2003 23:15:55)
I was wondering if novelty and adventure can be labeled "fetish."
To compare 1984 with Brave New World.....well the nightmarish vision in 1984 is rife with sexual repression....yet in the nightmarish world in Brave New World, sex is casual, recreational, and freely available. We're headed towards one or the other oppressive regimes anyway, so it may as well be Brave New World, that panders to our fleshly lusts and fleshly sensibilities. I could never serve the cog machine in 1984....how can I be reduced to being an automaton serf without being able to indulge my baser/human desires? Hell....at least in Brave New World, the workers get their daily dose of Soma, a kick-ass, scientifically-engineered drug that has all the positive effects and none of the negative effects. If I'm not gonna be able to live as a liberty-loving individualist in this fucking shitsplat world, then at least give me my creature comforts....sex, pharmacia, and mindless entertainment....and make them readily and freely available to me!!
Thats alot better an option than where we are now. What do we have now as our reward system? Cable TV? Outback Steakhouse once a month? Fuck that. And sexually....married women have furtive E! longings for George Clooney or Richard Gere?....and married men live in futile hope that one day they will meet some nubile 20something chick that will fall under the spell of their charm...and want amazing cock and nothing else? You know fucking what? To hell with that. To hell with illusion. I'm serving the system already. Give me something better than chain restaurants and lame-ass movies at Blockbuster...there's gotta be more to look forward to when the weekend comes around.
How bout a sanitized, legalized form of prostitution....prostitution legal in every state? How bout a new, healthier attitude towards sex, instead of a goddamn bankrupt Judeo-Christian ethic of monogamy? Any of you ever wondered why the divorce rate is so damn high? It just ain't natural. If you're a married person and you've never had a consuming desire to fuck someone else, then please set me straight and tell me that not everyone is a dog like I am. For me, sex seems to be the last realm of adventure for us. It ain't even fucking funny how many people in relationships are sexually unfulfilled....gasping, fluttering, starving for fulfillment. Our lives are passing us by...the penis is becoming more flaccid and the vagina is becoming more dry. My god, how I wish there was a brothel as close to me as Wal-Mart...full of sexually appealing women...pre-tested for STD's, socially acceptable...no risk of a man harming his health or his family...simply a sophisticated acknowledgment of the need for adventure and the acknowledgment of male sexual drive. Most men and women crave sexual adventure....why is it that monogamy and the Christian ideation of marriage continue to hold such a stronghold over our culture? Both of them continue to fail so damn miserably.
Anyway, I'm drunk. You know what set off this rant? Well, I live in Southern Indiana, and I got to thinking how I have always wanted to see a Chicago Cubs game at Wrigley field. Of course, you add up all the costs....transportation, tickets, lodging, etc....you're looking at at least 300 dollars in my case. Most people don't have that kind of dough sitting in their wallets for recreation, yknow? Work sucks, and for many people, the idea of life-fulfillment and the "good life" are illusions. I'm just disgruntled....why be a cog in the wheel if you have to consciously, sacrificially, and scrupulously save money for an entire year just to attend one single goddamn Cubs game? I'll bite the bullet and live in this materialistic, superficial, media-driven culture.....all I ask for is access to superior scientifically-engineered drugs....safe and affordable outlets for sexual adventure...and, quite simply, a better standard of living. There are too many corporations getting rich off the sweat of our brow while most people really don't have shit. Most of us are only 1/2 alive and living. Why are so many of us so timid and accept mush when we could have steak?
God, I hope I didn't piss anyone off too bad. You guys are my confessors, don't you know that? And by the way....the fetish thread was mostly dead anyway....so I thought I'd try move it in another direction.
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freebird75
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(Date Posted:01/17/2003 02:53:24)
Reply to : ted5870
>Any of you ever wondered why the divorce rate is so damn high? It just ain't natural.<
This is what I've been thinking about too. Monogamy is just not natural. And no one wants to admit it, everyone is trying to be moral and faithful to their spouses, and if they're cheating on them, they are dishonest scumbags. But then, which wife would let her husband sleep with other women, even if it was 100% safe? No, they won't give them great sex, they won't give them blowjobs, they won't be wild with them, but no, they can't have it anywhere else. If they do, they are a shame for their family.
I'm just so disgusted with that.
> If you're a married person and you've never had a consuming desire to fuck someone else, then please set me straight and tell me that not everyone is a dog like I am. <
I'm not married, so my opinion probably doesn't matter.
> For me, sex seems to be the last realm of adventure for us. It ain't even fucking funny how many people in relationships are sexually unfulfilled....gasping, fluttering, starving for fulfillment. <
And they can't fullfil it. Because the society says that marriage is sacred, that monogamy is what it's supposed to be, that you're not even supposed to want someone else but your spouse for the rest of your life... and yet it's not something everyone can manage. Even the most moral people can slip, and of course, people who don't have the opportunity to cheat are disgusted and label that person and look down on him or her, as if it would never happen to them.
Maybe I'm wrong, but this is how I feel right now.
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(Date Posted:01/17/2003 08:19:14)
Well Jacav. I'll speak up as a married person. It is hard, and what makes it harder is that I know my wife would forgive me if I did have an affair. About a year ago a married woman on another site actually hit on me, jokingly, and suggested we run off to Vegas for a weekend. I told my wife about it, and she said, "Hey, you're going to do what you're going to do, but you're damned well not going to Vegas while we're paying off your student loans and a mortgage!" It doesn't surprise me too much as one of her favorite movies is "Same Time Next Year." Has she mixed with someone? I doubt it, but honestly the thought doesn't bother me too much. I trust what we have. It is what it is.
But my issue is that sex is often a very powerful force, emotionally. The only occasions in which I've really been tempted have involved a complete attraction, beyond mere thoughts of sex. I think I would like to spend time with them. I'm afraid that an affair might not be enough. There is something to Cameron Diaz' line in Vanilla Sky, "You may not have made a promise, but your body did." I'm not afraid that a woman will drive me off an overpass, but sex often does carry unexpected repercussions. How could I handle that responsibility when I'm dedicated to my family? There's a kid to think about as well.
Since I've been with my wife, I've come close only once when I got together with an ex. But I think I would have tried to avoid that one in any case. It would have been a bad idea for other reasons.
But it is hard. I haven't come to terms with it. Maybe I never will.
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Student to Harvey Pekar: "It"s hard enough trying to convince people that socialism is a good thing without basing your argument on some abstract theory of human nature. Plato tried and failed. Fourier tried and failed. Marx tried and failed. Sartre tried and failed."
Harvey Pekar: "Well maybe I c"n learn from their mistakes."
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bannerman
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(Date Posted:01/24/2003 22:25:01)
Reply to Jacav:
This is what I've been thinking about too. Monogamy is just not natural. And no one wants to admit it, everyone is trying to be moral and faithful to their spouses, and if they're cheating on them, they are dishonest scumbags. But then, which wife would let her husband sleep with other women, even if it was 100% safe? No, they won't give them great sex, they won't give them blowjobs, they won't be wild with them, but no, they can't have it anywhere else. If they do, they are a shame for their family.
I'm just so disgusted with that.
Amen Sister!
In the fundy world, the only thing that seems to get men in trouble is their dicks. Well, maybe extrotion too.
My fundy mother once told my wife that she knew why my father left her. "It was S-E-X"
Good for my dad. Obviously sex with a woman who won't even say the word "sex" couldn't have been good.
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