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sunspots
Re:  How many different churches have you been to (either as a member of non member)?

Hell, Look who invented satan!

Xtians define anyone that does not give up power to them as satanic... So Im satanic TO THEM.

Its just so much  fun to scare them with their own bullshit.





05/08/2008 10:09 PM


logophile
Re:  Dating Christians after walking away

I suppose an ex-Christian and a Christian (non-fundy)  can make a relationship work if they  were open-minded and respected eachothers beliefs, but it seems that kind of relationship would be pretty special. Religion is such an explosive topic for many people that it can easily become a weapon used against a partner when the fighting starts. It's also likely that the Christian partner would secretly harbor a desire/hope/goal of  bringing the "backslider" back into the fold.

Fundies being in relationships with non-believers is whole other story and almost always a disaster for the obvious reasons. I knew a  few people in my churches who were dating non Christians and they got so much flack from the church for it. They also felt guilty about  dating the unbeliever, blamed their relationship on lust,  and usually ended up feeling forced to issue a "get saved or get going" ultimatum to their partner.

As far as your situation, Freebird75, it sounds like the guy was possibly insecure which is why he said mean things to you about your past. Of course he probably used his religion as an excuse to think and say those things.

If I were single, I can imagine that I'd possibly agree to  date someone who is a bit religious. I'd at least give it a try.  I understand that the longing for "god" is pretty much universal and that some people feel it more than others. Maybe others find a better way to integrate it into their lives than I did. I  had a run of lousy luck with religion that made me completely disenchanted and angry about it. If a guy was moderately religious, I don't think  that that alone would put me  off. It's the individual's personality and heart that matter to me more than their religion or lack thereof.



05/08/2008 2:07 PM


logophile
Re:  The Straw(s) That Broke The Camel's Back

  snakechic said: "And for some silly reason...I think some females have reverted to an old fashioned mind - prior to the feminist revolution or vigorous campaigning of the 70's. It a lot of ways young women generally are not taking care of their 'rights' and falling backwards. My older sister was never particularly interested in feminist issues and seemed to always have a conservative 'need' to find order in the world...ie. the Males as 'natural' born leaders. I think she was bitterly disappointed by her choice in men/husbands."



I know what you mean! I seriously worry about what the world will be like for women in the years to come. Most young women seem to have fallen hook line and sinker for what advertsers market as "girl power" but what is really a load of  bullshit designed to sell products and keep women as men's toys.

As far as Hannah Montana or any other young star professing to be Christian, it's almost expected nowadays.  Being into Jesus has been the rage for young people in America  for a while now;I imagine that includes young people in the public eye.

Jesus gets dragged into entertainment left and right these days. Did anyone happen to watch  the "Idol Gives Back" episode of American Idol? They ended the show by singing "Shout to the Lord". I was pretty taken aback and surprised theyd do that. What does religion have to do with raising funds for underprivleged kids? It's not a religious show (or not supposed to be anyway), so what gives with basically forcing the contestants to sing a worship song to jesus?



05/08/2008 1:29 PM


logophile
Re:  How many different churches have you been to (either as a member of non member)?

I've attended a couple Quaker meetings myself. I agree that Quakers  are pretty cool people for the most part. They seem to really value social justice. There's no Quaker meeting right near me, but if one were conveniently located, I'd go.

I don't know much  about Satanism. Do Satanists believe in  or woship satan as an actual person/entity or is it just a philosophy of some kind?


05/08/2008 12:54 PM

Guest
Re:  The God Who Wasn't There...DVD

  The soundtrack is available if you purchase the DVD through their website. Once your transaction is complete, you get a new page with all the tracks in downloadable form.


05/08/2008 11:14 AM


sunspots
Topic:  "Evangelicals" Backing off of politics

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N07482581.htm


Some of these morons seem to have figured out how  stupid they have been
I wonder if they know that they are using Leninist terminalolgy?

All but the stupidist ,dickless piece of shit flag driving moron , Taleban wannabe, Xtian fundie loons have it figured out by now!


05/08/2008 5:46 AM


snakechic
Re:  How many different churches have you been to (either as a member of non member)?

Reply to Sunspots (05/04/2008 9:15 PM)
What is really funny is that technically I think i can not become an official member because .....I am also a satanist!


I'm not taking the piss or anything. What's it like being a satanist.?


05/07/2008 10:30 PM


snakechic
Re:  The Straw(s) That Broke The Camel's Back

Reply to Chirpy (04/24/2008 12:37 PM)
  I thought that the Tammy Faye look was restricted to the red states in the USA where garish and dated make up colours are de rigeur.  You see them in catalogues from christian owned companies which use pyramid marketing techniques such as Amway and Neways.  Not what you would see in the Body Shop or on the MAC counter in department stores.

From watching television and seeing born againers on reality type programmes I noticed it's more common for younger christian women to sport tattoos, naval piercings and wear tops with spaghetti straps while judging other women for showing midriffs and wearing skimpy dresses.  Corinee Bailey Rae professed to be religious and yet she loved to have a go at the Pussy Cat Dolls for being overly sexual.
Check out this chick..(I stole it from Mothy)
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/hannah.montana.star.i.do.everything.for.jesus/17561.htm





05/07/2008 10:27 PM


snakechic
Re:  Dating Christians after walking away

I think relationships are hard enough without pushing shit up hill.  Lucky for me I didn't find xians all that 'sexy'  or interesting.  I know this is generalising and all that..but I've found that christian men are insecure about somethings while being total arrogant arsewipes at the same time.  Weird combo. 
There was this one guy ...he wrote me all kinds of 'begging' letters.

I made up my mind when I was young NOT to go out with blokes from my 'old country' ..Part of my family are also Catholic Orthodox and in that kind of culture its common for the females to be cloistered away from the rest of the world and not allowed to  socialise and generally have fairly strict mores.  I think that's changing a wee bit now thou' - still  girls are largely "spoilt"   in that community - give all kinds of stuff which is basically the soft end of the stick.

Yeah..I don't like the attitudes ie 'madness'. And I don't necessarily agree that society is built on christian morality ..at least in Australia things aren't so backward ? Capital punishment has been scraped. 


05/07/2008 10:22 PM


phoenixgirl
Re:  What this forum could be and what it is

Hey guys . . . I'm on Facebook too.  Send me an email at the aforementioned address!


05/07/2008 3:08 PM


Chirpy
Re:  Dating Christians after walking away

Yes, I've been there too when I first walked away.  I've been out with a Methodist but he had mental health problems and there was nothing there so I finished with him.

When you walk away from religion you challenge what you believe and so are more aware of patriarchial attitudes.  As well as that our society isn't so ingrained in christian morality any more although the Establishment (Royalty, judges, House of Lords, Civil Service, heads of industry) would want it imposed on us from above without adhering to it themselves.  People recognise hypocrisy and and are developing their own morality as long as they stay within the law and are loyal to friends and family. We've become more open minded about different expressions of sexuality and other faiths.  So when you get to know christians from any type of denomination whether fundy or mainline them you will encounter a different set of moral beliefs.

A few years' ago I attended a mental health conference on spirituality to which ministers and lay christians were invited.  I couldn't believe the political incorrectness that was going on.  Mental health problems was referred to as madness.  We had made progress with GP's nurses and psychiatrists in that area and it felt that we were starting all over again with christians.


05/07/2008 2:48 AM


snakechic
Topic:  Freaking out!

and this man is still open for business.


Surgeon to stand trial over woman's death

  A prominent Queensland surgeon has been ordered to stand trial over the "traumatic" death of a cancer patient following a radical gynaecological operation.

Mother-of-two Nardia Annette Cvitic, 30, went under the knife for a hysterectomy to remove cervical cancer at Brisbane's Mater Hospital on February 11, 2002.

She  died 11 days later of organ failure following significant blood loss caused when an incorrectly inserted drainage tube punctured a vein in her groin.

An inquest yesterday found her doctor, former University of Queensland professor Bruce Ward, had failed to properly diagnose and treat Mrs Cvitic when she collapsed from internal bleeding  three days after her initial operation, and had wrongly prescribed a blood-thinning agent, despite the slightly built woman having already lost half her body's blood supply.

The operating theatre at the time of the incident was likened to a scene from the Granville train disaster in NSW in the 1970s.

Dr Ward was yesterday charged with Mrs Cvitic's manslaughter after Deputy State Coroner Christine Clements found there was enough evidence to prove he had acted unlawfully.


Outside court, Dr Ward's barrister, David Tait SC, said his client was "devastated" by the decision and  would fight the allegations.

"Over 20 years he has operated on thousands of Queensland women and has dedicated his life to his medical work," Mr Tait said.

"Dr Ward is adamant he is not guilty of any offence.
"It's a disappointing end to a very sad occurrence."

But in her findings, Ms Clements said the inquest had raised serious questions about Dr Ward's judgement, his post-operative care and delays in identifying the cause of Mrs Cvitic's internal bleeding.

She said people authorised to perform surgery on others had a duty to ensure they had "reasonable skill and reasonable care."

"I am satisfied that a properly instructed jury could make a finding of guilt," Ms Clements said.

The inquest heard Mrs Cvitic had complained of severe abdominal pain three days after her hysterectomy and collapsed  at the  hospital.

Dr Ward diagnosed her as suffering from  pulmonary embolus - or a blockage of the artery - against the advice of other doctors, and she was operated on again.

He also prescribed twice the usual dose of a blood-thinning agent to Mrs Cvitic, who continued to bleed until a second surgeon noticed the  torn vein in her groin.

A third doctor arrived on the scene to find "blood everywhere", including on the drapes, and Mrs Cvitic's body packed with absorbent sponges. Numerous blood transfusions later caused her organs to fail.

Mrs Cvitic's elder sister Helen Liversidge described the incident as "horrific".

"I don't know how I feel at the moment, it's all pretty shocking," Ms Liversidge said of the Coroner's decision to charge Dr Ward.

"I came here today to see justice done and hopefully it will be."

Mrs Cvitic, described by family as a vivacious and fun-loving woman, left behind two sons, now aged 11 and 16.

Dr Ward was released on bail until his Supreme Court trial, to be heard at a date to be fixed.



05/06/2008 7:05 PM


MothandRust
Re:  Dating Christians after walking away

I saw my best friend walking into the very same situation as yours a coupld of years ago. Gawd, I hope she doesn't track this forum...

She came across a guy online (through my blog actually) who was Christian, but professed to be 'different' from fundy Christians. Aside from the guy being a total jerk in the first place, she fell pregnant with his kids and they eventually got married. I could tell he had the baggage that comes from Christianity... ya know the crap... he wanted her to be 'saved' someday, and he wants to raise their kids Christianly (she fell pregnant with again).

He also seemed to have that attitude that she was 'below' him because she wasn't smart enough to accept that there was a god and a hell and a satan and all that other freaking crap mythology.

Less than a year after the wedding now and she's finally had enough of him and kicked him out of the house. Not really because of Christianity, I'm told, and I believe her, but she admits that there's little common ground for them to share. When a family member of her's commited suicide, he seemed more concerned to talk about the hell in store, rather than consoling her. Call me intolerant if you like, but I think that anyone who actually and truly believes in the concept of hell is a complete and utter fucktard.... best word I can think of right now. Fucktard.

I know the Christian mindset somewhat, and even though I know of mixed marriages of faith that work well, I think they're a rarity. I'd spend the rest of my married life wondering when they were going to stop being so fucktarded. pmsl.... I really like typing that word. Funny.


05/06/2008 5:55 AM

Guest
Re:  Teen rapes mother....."Sweet home Alabama"

I'm sure there are better ways to resolve an argument than to bang your own mother.


05/05/2008 9:31 PM


sunspots
Re:  The Straw(s) That Broke The Camel's Back

My earliest church memory from when i was sike 5 , was sitting in a baptist church in the deep south, and being amazed that all these people were actually pretending to believe that bullshit. My idiot mother spent years dragging me to that nonsense desperate for me to to that "find Jesus" horseshit.... without realizing I had the whole scene sussed from the git go. I did enjoy playing baseball though ( the baptist church league was the only youth baseball in town at the time)


05/04/2008 9:31 PM


sunspots
Re:  Last post was me

For some reason I did not auto log in


05/04/2008 9:18 PM

Guest
Re:  How many different churches have you been to (either as a member of non member)?

I have started attending Quaker meetings. I really like them. Its kinds cool in 2008 east coast  USA  to sit down in a room with a bunch of people that are not acting like flaming obnoxious assholes and are quiet. There is no bullshit you have to pretend to believe. You just deal with your own spiritual focus ( refferred to as "Inner Light"). What I have realized is that Quakers have been rebelling against religious bullshit for a long time. A church that want you to be an independent thinker? WOW! And the people are smart active people into a lot of interesting things. There is a bit of overhyped happy happy among some of them, but big deal. All in all I plan on regularly attending as its allmost like a vacation from the vicious psychotic real world. What is really funny is that technically I think i can not become an official member because I play cards for part of my income.( even though I am more anti gambling than they are).. not because I am also a satanist!


05/04/2008 9:15 PM


freebird75
Topic:  Dating Christians after walking away

I've been staying away from Christians for years after walking away. Then last year I decided that I shouldn't be so judgmental and give poor christians chance. After all, our beliefs are our own, my morals are very loosely similar to the ones in the Bible, not all Christians are fundies... Maybe I just had bad luck to date a Christian who wasn't even a fundy but was enough brainwashed culturally, traditionally and religiously to be absolutely incompatible with me.

I thought it really doesn't matter that much whether you believe in God or not. I'm not a complete atheist. I don't have much respect for Christian dogma, but once you peel off all that god/jesus whatever stuff from the Bible, there  is some good  material there. It's just important having an open mind. I was very straightforward about my lack of belief to my ex-boyfriend. I told him that I used to believe it but now I'm over it and there's no chance that I'll ever believe in the same way again. I also made it clear that even though I don't object too much to Christian morality as the society is pretty much built on it and it's just hard to go too much against it, in no way do I have the same view on morality. I may agree that some things are not such a good idea to do, but I don't necessarily think they're inherently bad.

So anyway, I thought I was okay since the guy denied being any kind of fundamentalist, he didn't like them much himself. His church was more traditional, just like the church in my old country (orthodox christian). However, he was very much firm in his beliefs about sanctity of marriage among other things. He wouldn't even accept the fact that I've been married before and divorced (my marriage lasted 4 years). He was secretly hoping that I will come around to his truth. He would insult me by saying that I was a slut before I got married. Even though I admit I was a bit wild in the years before my marriage, I've never cheated on anyone, and I've been completely faithful to my husband. We're still best friends, maybe better, after the divorce.

This idiot blamed all my problems on my horrible past. You'd think I was a mass murderer or something. Mind you, it was okay for him to fool around with girls, it's not okay for women to do so. Anyway, this guy totally didn't respect me, was stupid and narrow minded and it came to the point that I just couldn't stand  to listen to him anymore. I even had to go to the police to complain that he's been harrassing me even after I broke up with him in no uncertain terms. He has not contacted me since, fortunately for me.

I'm so traumatized by the ordeal that I had to go through with this controlling christian freak that I've sworn off men for a while.

Does anyone else have such experiences with christian boyfriends/girlfriends. You can never be too careful. I certainly will be from now on.


05/04/2008 5:32 PM

Guest
Re:  Advertising Web Sites will Result in Banishment

Again you posted unwanted messages advertising your website(s), using another ID again. You don't show respect for your own rules on your own messageboard. You may not be surprised that your messages have been removed immediately.

NOW CAN YOU STOP THIS BULLSHIT!!!???


05/03/2008 8:31 AM

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