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(Date Posted:08/12/2008 00:43:14)

 This is one of the many...many....examples of the phenomena of 'splitting' common to the fundamentalist frame of mind.  (and also christianity generally)
(which I think is basically about....feeling & thinking 'you' have the absolute right answer - the truth ...and the 'right' to some kind of authority ...etc. etc..etc..)

 

There have been heaps of 'splitters' from the Seven Day Adventist church...and here's just one more person who thinks they are better - more 'holy' than anyone at their church. I'd be inclined to say that there is definately something about the SDAism that attracts and promotes this kind of 'fundamentalism'...not only the leader but also the followers. ....Blind as bats  and delusional. Pathetic creatures.

 

The End of the World Cult

Reporter: Channel 4

Broadcast: 11/08/2008

Michael Travesser used to be a sailor called Wayne Bent. Then he became the self-proclaimed Messiah, claiming to know the exact hour of an apocalyptic event that will mark the end of the world.

You might not believe him, but dozens of people do. In fact, they hang on his every word and serve him with absolute devotion.

In this remarkable film, members of Travesser's cult – the Lord Our Righteousness Church – begin preparing for death as he tells them time is fast running out.

Film-maker Ben Anthony obtains unique access to the cult's Strong City compound in New Mexico, USA, to capture the former Seventh Day Adventist minister's powerful hold over his tribe.

Anthony discovers females, including teenagers, discussing sexual consummations with Travesser, and meets parents who are desperately trying to prise their children from his grip.

This film from Channel 4 is a revealing study of the internal dynamics of a cult. It questions Travesser's motives and why he elicits such worship from followers as they count down to Doomsday. "The End of the World Cult" – on Four Corners at 8.30 pm Monday 11 August, on ABC1.

 

 

 

Anyone heard of them? He was arrested recently...

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Leader_of_Lord_Our_Righteousness_Church_jailed_on_charges_of_sexual_contact_with_minors

 

 

I think also...anyone who believes that no one 'should' criticize christianity...or take a critical look into the workings of any organisation calling itself a 'church' ...might like to remind themselves how these religious people can get away with shit like this!

 

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God

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RE:Splitting and splitting...Dis unity...hitting the murky bottom
(Date Posted:08/12/2008 05:28:43)

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RE:Splitting and splitting...Dis unity...hitting the murky bottom
(Date Posted:08/12/2008 19:11:51)

You seem to think you know the 'mind of god' . How do you 'know' that? Are one of the 'elect'?

So its good to criticise?
What does mean in terms of your other statement ?

"predominant western world view is anti religious"

"People always fail"?
Is that your regurgitation of the original sin dogma?

I know...are you also looking forward to a time when there will be no church - denominations will vanish ?

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

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RE:Splitting and splitting...Dis unity...hitting the murky bottom
(Date Posted:08/13/2008 21:42:06)

Reply to Guest (08/13/2008 05:32:51)
""You seem to think you  know the 'mind of god' . How do you 'know' that? Are one of the 'elect'?""

It says so plainly in the Bible, several times.



It would be more accurate therefore..to say the bible says...and to quote it

rather than simply say 'god says'...
otherwise I'm going to think you're a complete nutta...and that you are hearing voices.?

Do you hear voices?


SO in this thread you have an expection of failure..that people will fail..yet in the other thread you say you expect xianity to be perfect?

Yes..I am being prejudiced...against a belief system that labels everyone (not dependent on action) as 'evil' SINNERS!

and that they must work..have faith until they fall off their perch and still be worried or afraid about everything.

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God

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RE:Splitting and splitting...Dis unity...hitting the murky bottom
(Date Posted:08/14/2008 03:12:09)

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RE:Splitting and splitting...Dis unity...hitting the murky bottom
(Date Posted:08/14/2008 07:16:09)

Guest,

Why if Christians are supposed to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit do they disgree so often on every possible detail? History is rich with stories of Christians fighting (even killing) one another over matters that are both nit picking and unproveable. Is it just me or is that ridiculous? Where is god? I'm sure all these people felt they were right, and maybe even heard the voice of god on these matters. Problem was, god was saying a different thing to everyone.
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RE:Splitting and splitting...Dis unity...hitting the murky bottom
(Date Posted:08/14/2008 12:01:14)

(Hi - it's me. Apologies for the name - I'm reading the Captain Underpants series to my kids :))

I think the correct understanding is that Christians _can_ be indwelt by the hold spirit, the spirit is invited in. It isn't a club. You don't suddenly get endowed with several magical gifts like that. Christians disagree on interpretation, and that's right and good, like I said already, to question and doubt is core.

When 'Christians' fight though, they are doing stuff contrary to Christian belief, so they aren't 'acting' like Christians.

You're right. God says something else.
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(Date Posted:08/14/2008 19:19:29)

Reply to is_aimoo_guest (08/14/2008 03:12:09)

LOL

So only the Bible is right then - you can have no direct relationship with God that's actually 'better'?

I am a nutter anyway. "It's the lamb Dr Lecter" LMAO! :D


Xtianity is perfect, and people are prone to failure - yeah - that's sorta the jist of it. It's basic xtianity - if you're gonna slag it off, you ought to know just a lil bit about it. (but then Richard Dawinks is a total ignorant twat on the subject yet he likes to shoot his mouth off about it, so you're in good company ;))


You are not an evil sinner! You are a person, like me, who can do good and bad stuff, by choice or whatever else. I may have DONE evil or SINNED - but that doesn't define me, or you. That's the belief system, and you are trying to make out it's something bad that it's not. It's got plenty of bad stuff about it - no need to make stuff up - that just weakens your argument.

Blind faith is being religious - Jesus hates the religious - it's exactly opposite to Christianity.





Huh?

I'm not an 'evil sinner'..?

I don't take the notion of 'sin' seriously - it applies to certain theistic religions which I am not a member of....

so in other words ......leave me out of it!

And if I want to 'slag off' I will.  Deal with it and call it what you want or need to?







to add...I think Farty Pants is a great name..!

I'd like to clarify....
Logo said.."Problem was, god was saying a different thing to everyone"

that is not how you reflect it back..."You're right. God says something else."

you are changing the meaning by doing it your way...

please explain.

and also clarify 'how' god was 'saying' these things.




(Message edited by snakechic On 08/14/2008 19:28:00)

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

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(Date Posted:08/15/2008 06:05:30)


Huh?

I'm not an 'evil sinner'..?

I don't take the notion of 'sin' seriously - it applies to certain theistic religions which I am not a member of....

so in other words ......leave me out of it!

And if I want to 'slag off' I will.  Deal with it and call it what you want or need to?

Well you brought it up!! LOL

I am dealing with 'it' LOL

to add...I think Farty Pants is a great name..!

Why thanks


I'd like to clarify....
Logo said.."Problem was, god was saying a different thing to everyone"
that is not how you reflect it back..."You're right. God says something else."

you are changing the meaning by doing it your way...

please explain.

and also clarify 'how' god was 'saying' these things.

I read that different now. Did logo mean every individual or everyone as a group - I read it the 2nd way.

Well I take for granted that God is good and can't be bad - that's pretty much universally accepted.

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