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(Date Posted:02/06/2008 19:05:30)
I think he comes across as a dickhead!
A crispyclean Newagey Bapist preacher who has a knack for making 'the good' speech......& who flies at the speed of jetplane to visit his 'bro's' in Africa.
Its like Opraha Winfry on Morphine....(she shits me too)
Great Marketing....but its NOthing NEw!
More 'christian' values ...
the 'saviour' to unite?.........................Ha!
Pissweak..political slogan too...they (politicians) all use that one......."time for a change"....Ohderrr.....Lets make a list of all the political parties around the globe who have used that one.
The only ground breaking thing about the man is his skin colour..........and isn't that fucked up. Why not an Italian..or any other ethnicity. ?
At least Bush is vacating the seat.....but I think it will be a long time before the US wins back the respect of the world that its enjoyed during the Clinton era and prior to this particular era of Bush and the Christians.
(I have a feeling that the Christians generally..have lost much of their political usefulness these days.....in Aust too)
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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.
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(Date Posted:02/09/2008 00:23:46)
Actually, alot of people find him likeable. Alot of people say he is extremely friendly. My Republican voting, Clinton loathing father has described him as "personable". He won't vote for him, yet Obama won't inspire so much loathing. I find this comforting.
Obama does something different. I think it has to do with making people feel part of something big and powerful. Seems cultish, but it comes off as more sincere than Bill Clinton saying "I feel your pain." or Hillary saying "I will be ready on Day One." or "Will you help me?". There is something about the Baby Boomers and "The Me Generation" that comes off as self-absorbed. Obama's campaign is grass roots, staffed with young people, and talks about you and us, and everybody.
The nineties, a good time in many ways, but not a golden age. Especially if you grew up in a Fundie home and Bill Clinton's win was seen as some sort of subversion of the comfortable status quo by an admitted adulterer who was "Liberal" on certain social issues, and thus the worst kind of Liberal. You mentioned that the Religious Right, yes their influence is waning. Things come in cycles. If Clinton is elected, the Religious Right's role will be to get real pissed off and take back Congress for the Republicans, again. After Clinton leaves, maybe they will try to grab more influence and power.
Obama might start something that could curb the influence of Social Conservatives and dirty politics in general. Hillary Clinton cannot. Maybe because Obama is so charasmatic and will appeal to a whole lot of people, he can possibly promote Progressive ideas in a progressive way, as in move Progressive issues forward. Hillary Clinton cannot.
Barack Obama is not running as the Black candidate. He is a lot more subtle about his color. He actual does transcend race. I know he's Black, I don't think of him as the Black candidate.
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RE: "Guest", sorry I forgot to sign in.
(Date Posted:02/09/2008 00:27:15)
Oops. ^^^^^^^
My post above.
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(Date Posted:02/10/2008 16:46:34)
"The Me Generation" that comes off as self-absorbed. Obama's campaign is grass roots, staffed with young people, and talks about you and us, and everybody..............
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Yeah...I think you are right about that WC....the "me generation" which of course a very large part of the population are 'christian'...and has been very 'self-absorbed' and narrow minded about lots of stuff.....including the popular justification for the 'war' in Iraq - ie. "America has the right to protect its sources of oil in the middle east"..and bugger everybody else!. Although I"m not exactly a 'baby boomer' (close)...I would say that the current generation has learnt a great deal about self absorption and have feelings as if the world owns them a living etc..etc...I don't think "young people" today are any less greedy or demanding of their 'fair share' of the worlds resources than the last one.... You know I'm living in Australia...so I'm giving my gut feelings on the man - (nothing personal to you). I find his persona 'creepy'.....but I don't think Hilary is the 'answer' either. Eh..we're talking politicians here ...... I find the way the man's charisma has effected some of the population (as seen on the media) very 'unhealthy' ...I wonder why people have to get so emotionally involved as 'followers'. Thats what I find 'creepy'...the pipepiper effect? - are people so dim? The 'inclusive' rhetoric is that...only rhetoric to date. The big "O" is not going to be anyone's personal 'saviour'...or end world hunger for that matter (sarcasm)................ We'll see what happens... I don't think of the man by his skin colour either.....However the media seem to be turning this campaign into a race between the 'first' black man and the first 'female'...for that reason I'm doubtful that the democrats will be able to pull off a win this year. (I hope they do thou......Labour has won this term in Aust but with a fairly conservative face) At least Bush will step down this year ! WOOHOO!!!!....thou I doubt that his & his cronies business affairs will end in the middle east any time soon. His time in office will leave a very long and lingering effect on the world..that's fer sure. You know what pisses me off the most......that the general population have such terribly short memories when it comes to global events and history. I doubt most America's remember all the lies of the last Emperor....and so are willing to swallow the words of the next . Good Luck! I think no matter what...its a step up for the States..
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(Date Posted:02/10/2008 16:58:05)
Opps...I forgot to sign on as well...
How come it seems so IMPOSSIBLE for an atheist to win an election in the States these days?
I forgot to mention ..that I find B. Obama type of 'liberal' christianity just as horrifying as any full on Fundamentalist. At least with a a fundie you can pin them down....with a 'liberal' its like trying pin jello to the ceiling. The 'liberal' christian are less willing to take responsiblity for the bullshit or tactics of christianity in general....you know...throw their hands up in the air.."wasn't us"...
All that 'baby in the bathwater' bullshit!
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RE: "yes we can"
(Date Posted:02/10/2008 17:36:13)
Here's an example of what I mean....this campaign is CREEPY...the man is setting himself up as the 'messiah' ?
all that one People...One Nation bullshit....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY
'Yes we can" song...
(makes me sick.....Blak)
Look into his policy promises.....the health plan for example is NOT universal.
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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.
-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God
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(Date Posted:02/15/2008 23:04:27)
what's this shit about calling this candidate the 'black Kennedy'
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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.
-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God
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(Date Posted:02/17/2008 17:40:40)
I voted for Obama. My state went for him too. I think he's the next best thing to Kucinich (who dropped out before WA has our caucus).
I think that part of my support for Obama is that I have become pretty anti-Hillary. At first I really loved her but her insistance that the Dem party allow Florida to sit even though they broke the rules by moving their primary up and then the whole flap over the Chelsea "pimp" thing...her behaviour is just ridiculous. Worse, she represents "business as usual" and I'm just sick of that.
When I listen to Obama I *believe* what he says. He gives me hope for the US again. And I think his policies are well thought out and good.
My two cents.
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(Date Posted:02/18/2008 10:32:32)
Yeah, it would be a first if either of them won the US presidency. Either the first woman President or the first black President. Politically I'm closer to Hilary Clinton though Obama seems more genuine and radical.
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(Date Posted:02/20/2008 19:17:29)
Reply to Cyranothe2nd (02/04/2008 11:35 PM).
I voted for Obama. My state went for him too. I think he's the next best thing to Kucinich (who dropped out before WA has our caucus).
I think that part of my support for Obama is that I have become pretty anti-Hillary. At first I really loved her but her insistance that the Dem party allow Florida to sit even though they broke the rules by moving their primary up and then the whole flap over the Chelsea "pimp" thing...her behaviour is just ridiculous. Worse, she represents "business as usual" and I'm just sick of that.
When I listen to Obama I *believe* what he says. He gives me hope for the US again. And I think his policies are well thought out and good.
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Yep...I can see how Hilary would be shitting some off. She presents a very conservative standpoint from what little I know. She's running behind OB now. The thing about OB for me....are my observations of his 'followers'. He seems to have inspired a messianic kind of loyality ..an almost religious devotion - praise and songs. I don't 'trust' that kind of thing ...especially after the impact on the world of Bush and his policies - ie. invading Iraq and telling lies about it. etc. I think it would be wise for american's to remain alert and not blindly follow anyone ...and learn from the past ..the most recent past - remember the lies and remember that ALL politicians are trying to sell you something...............not to mention tell flat out lies. In other words if anyone 'believe | | |
