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(Date Posted:11/16/2005 03:08:59)
Saying "don't blaspheme" is the fundy way of saying "don't disagree with me", or "don't offend me". Though they say you are offending God with whatever you are saying/doing. Guess they speak for God. We're all in trouble then; we blaspheme every day when we don't pray, don't go to church, don't read the Bible, etc.
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(Date Posted:11/16/2005 07:16:42)
Guess they speak for God.
And that in itself is blasphemous!
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Zombies, Unicorns, Devils, Sea Monsters, Satyrs, Dragons, Six Winged Angels, Gods, Demons, Witches, Astrologers, A walking & talking snake, Magical fruit, Talking donkeys, human headed six-winged beasts, Ghosts. All that stuff is in the Bible and yet they tell me it"s not mythology?
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(Date Posted:11/16/2005 22:16:46)
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We're all in trouble then; we blaspheme every day when we don't pray, don't go to church, don't read the Bible, etc.
exactly! i think i even heard that invitation-decision inducing statement at fundy church and church camp! such spiritual lack of interest has also been referred to as committing adultery against god since supposedly we're his hold bride. in fundy circles where separation from the world is the core ingredient to their dogma and control, terms like 'blasphemy' are choke collars that keep believers from walking too far away from the church's influence.
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(Date Posted:11/17/2005 05:23:24)
Apparently, according to Leonard Levy's Blasphemy: Verbal Offense Against the Sacred, the word blasphemy lost any real meaning during the formative stages of christianity. The early church fathers threw it - and just about every other insult they could think of - at other church fathers and assorted sects and heretics. It came to mean simply any behavior or language that the speaker disagreed with.
So, I suppose nothing has really changed in 2000 years of so.
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(Date Posted:11/17/2005 08:42:21)
I was going by the only definition of blasphemy that has a biblical precedent, which is claiming to be god when you're not. There's actually two definitions of blasphemy in the dictionary:
1 a : the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God b : the act of claiming the attributes of deity.
2 : irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable.
Definition 1a is the one I was using. When someone "speaks for god" it certainly seems to me that they're stepping into his place.
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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.
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(Date Posted:11/20/2005 22:00:56)
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.or watching and creating films like.the Monty Python movie etcI don't know the holy spirit seems to be of greater importance than god?
"the life of brian"..... haven't seen it but it's the only python film i haven't seen. my fundy bro (he's 21) was/is a huge fan, but with LOB he does consider it blasphemous. i started calling his hippie "jesus sandals" "bryan sandals" after he called me out for taking god's name in vain and he STILL thought it was blasphemous, because to him, bryan was a representation of christ,. albeit "blasphemous", so any mention of brian was also blasphemous as it intoned the name of the good lord in a negative, flighty fashion. guess......there's no real blasphemy involved, only the appearance of it (winkwinknudgenudgeknow-whu-i-mean-know-whu-i-mean...) 
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(Date Posted:11/20/2005 23:34:46)
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(winkwinknudgenudgeknow-whu-i-mean-know-whu-i-mean...)
Say no more!
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(Date Posted:11/21/2005 15:05:31)
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Loved both of those movies...blasphemy laws are basically to limit freedom of speech? ok....
Sounds a lot like the sedition laws being imposed on Aussies in the guise of anti-terrorism! Seem to recall the only unforgiveable sin was blasphemy against the holy spirit, and as I understood it that was to do with attributing the works of god to satan?
Snakechic, that's a good question: "How come a human being can blasphem against something that no human being is supposed to 'know' about?" and one I was pondering. If satan can appear as an angel of light, and is apparently so deceptive that even the very elect could be deceived, how could one know? Indeed how could one hope to know a god of the kind proposed by fundamentalist thinking? It's difficult enough to know one's own partner, or friends, even though we may have known them intimately for long periods. How then is one to 'know' a god one cannot see, touch or feel?
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Albert Einstein: "A human being is a part of the whole, called by us "Universe" a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest--a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us."
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- its all a bit wishy washy.....from ricdicule to swearing? The holy ghost is nothing but a rapist according to the fable of mary and jospeh!