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Voltaire
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(Date Posted:07/29/2006 19:52:01)
After posting a long epistle such as this you want us to believe you came here to get away from fundamentalists? Based on this and your other other long post the problem you have is most Christians aren't fundamentalist enough.
What are you here for? Do you really think anyone on this forum is going to pay attention to you after a rant like this?
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Zombies, Unicorns, Devils, Sea Monsters, Satyrs, Dragons, Six Winged Angels, Gods, Demons, Witches, Astrologers, A walking & talking snake, Magical fruit, Talking donkeys, human headed six-winged beasts, Ghosts. All that stuff is in the Bible and yet they tell me it"s not mythology?
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pumbaa
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(Date Posted:07/29/2006 20:17:04)
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"For those who believe in God, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe in God, no explanation is possible."
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(Date Posted:07/29/2006 21:09:03)
Reply to : pumbaa
I'm not looking for attention. My goal is to do what's right according to my conscience, to the best of my ability.
Preaching to us is your right?
Look, you may be an ex-fundamentalist. Perhaps you left behind a more rigorous, strict belief system. Good for you. But you still seem pretty extreme, and come off as fundamentalist to us. Usually, holding an exclusive belief system that you claim to be the one and only way is a symptom of fundamentalism, no matter what that belief system is. These things you talk about are your beliefs, not ours, can you accept that? Why not tell us about your background, how you became a fundy and then left fundamentalism, how you are dealing with it now, etc. Not things like "This is the true church, that is Babylon, secular humanism is at fault for everything,...." and so on. We are not going to agree on specific beliefs. We need to connect with what we have in common; we have left controlling fundamentalist belief systems. Let's not walk right into another fundy pattern of manipulation.
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A big revelation in my professional training was that humans can learn skills for living and relating. We don"t have to be desperate for a miracle of God to make us decent.--Marlene Winell
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Voltaire
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(Date Posted:07/29/2006 21:13:14)
My goal is to do what's right according to my conscience, to the best of my ability.
If your serious about doing whats right to the best of your ability then examine your beliefs and find out whether or not they are true. Be tough with what you belief. If they don't meet the muster then discard them. Don't you realize you're in precisely the same position I was about 10 years ago? I too was all disturbed about the the luke warmness of mainline church and was doing everything I could to overcome that.
Get out your hammer of truth and start using it on what you believe. If it's solid it will stand up to scrutiny.
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Zombies, Unicorns, Devils, Sea Monsters, Satyrs, Dragons, Six Winged Angels, Gods, Demons, Witches, Astrologers, A walking & talking snake, Magical fruit, Talking donkeys, human headed six-winged beasts, Ghosts. All that stuff is in the Bible and yet they tell me it"s not mythology?
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Cyranothe2nd
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(Date Posted:07/29/2006 23:00:44)
If you are coming from a skeptical, secular, humanist, materialist worldview, I don't expect you to understand or believe this. How can you understand or believe something you have never experienced? I may pity your impoverished level of experience and resultant narrow worldview, but I understand. I was there once myself.
Can you not see how equating humanism with materialism, and skepticism with a narrow and impoverished worldview, could be construed as offensive. My own experience- skepticism helped me to regain my sense of self. Humanism keeps me moral. Atheism is the reason I am a productive member of society. My lack of faith is deeply meaningful to me, and for you to say that I am "impoverished" or "narrow" is not only ignorant, its offensive.
So no- I don't think I will accept your apology. Not when its given with a backhanded insult.
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(Date Posted:07/29/2006 23:18:41)
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I know Satan. He's a miserable sub-human piece of shit control-freak without a life who reads all of my posts here.
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pumbaa
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(Date Posted:07/30/2006 03:40:29)
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"For those who believe in God, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe in God, no explanation is possible."
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(Date Posted:07/30/2006 03:50:32)
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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.
-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God
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(Date Posted:07/30/2006 05:05:33)
Hello pumbaaa
I see from your membership that you've been around since 07/12/2002 -
thats quite a few years to be doing the 'fundie' walk thing.........? I doubt you'd be interested in a non - christian response....Oh well.. I saw your post the other day but choose not to reply...
don't want any hassle today....don't feel like 'debatin'
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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.
-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God
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