Abuse Report
1 .  Thread's URL
2 .  Comment
3 .  Your Name
4 .  E-mail
    
User Name   Password
This is a support forum for those who have left
or are in the process of leaving fundamentalist Christianity

Current Forum Since June 2001


Make a donation Click here
Make a donation Click here
 
Views:69     
<<Previous ThreadNext Thread>>
Page 1 / 1    
Author Comment
Voltaire
| Move to Bottom
 
Author



Rank:none
Score: 0
Posts: 1490
Registered: 07/08/2001
Time spent: 0 hours

(Date Posted:08/13/2005 20:27:32)

I've had this book sitting on my shelf ever since I saw Morgan Spurlock'sSupersize Me. After seeing that movie, I vowed I'd quit eating fast food, but like most vows, it didn't last very long. I decided to pull the book off my shelf while reading and contributing to the threadJunk food, poor nutrition and fundamentalist christianity. Even reading the Praise section for the book is interesting: I didn't know Americans spend more money on fast food than higher education. The reviewier fromUSA Todaywho wrote "God strike me dead before I consume another fast food product..." strikes me as rather ironic, seeing how USA Today has been widely criticized as being a kind of fast food restaurant for news. Reading the Introduction, I was surprised to see the enromous growth in fast food spending over the last 30 years: from 6 billion in 1970 to 110 billion in 2001. To me that's amazing, an 18 times increase, only a small part of which can be attributed to population increase. It really does underscore how much our eating habits have changed. And I should include my usual grumble about sloppy statistics: theis number should have been normalized so they're more useful. Another tidbit from the introduction: "The basic thinking behind fast food has become the operationg system of today's retail economy, wiping out small businesses, obliterating regional differences, and spreading idential stores throughout the country like self replicating code." To this I heartily agree. Our urban landscape has become so similar and predictable that it's almost not worth it to travel to other cities anymore: see one, you've seen them all. They all have Wal-Mart, Starbucks, Big Buy, McDonalds, Burger King, and lots and lots of glass and steel office buildings. Everyone lives in a ranch style house in the suburbs. There's nothing new to see anywhere else because everywhere else looks just like here. Another good one: "Much of the taste and aroma of American fast food, for example, is now manufactured at a series of large chemical plants off the New Jersy turnpike." In other words, the smell and taste aren't the real smell and taste of the food. Instead it's added afterward. So what are they covering up with those artificial smells and tastes? It may be that the food is just fine and they're enhancing the flavor, just everyone has been adding spices to food for centuries. But then there may be other less honorable motives... I skimmed the rest of the book as I usually do in order to get a feel for it. After doing that I went to my freezer and threw out all my meat (I had about 20 pounds). Even reading a few pages in the chapter about how meat packing workers are treated is just shocking. Picking up snippets here and there about the problems of having the meat slaughtered in one central location and then distributed was enough to make me realize that it really is a health risk to eat the stuff. Do you realize that because of the clout that McDonald's has, the meat they buy has passed more stringent quality control than the meat you buy in the supermarket? I also read the Afterward about the Mad Cow problem, which is a special interest of mine. Since this book was written, we've started seeing Mad Cow disease appearing in the US just this year. The second edition of the book I have includes a section about the reactions Schlosser received when the first edition was published. The way the meat industry has reacted was quite predictable (they were irate). Of of particular interest to many other Walk Away members is the way they reacted. It was the usual pattern of being furious that anyone would kick the sacred cow, but not having any rebuttals with substance. It was the usual kind of thing we recieve from the trolls that come by on this board. They don't like what we have to say but when we try to engage them in a rational debate, all we get in reply is the same old mindless cant about hellfire and "you just don't want to believe." Just like Christians always seem tell us that "real Christians aren't likethat", McDonalds responded to this book by saying "The real McDonald's bears no resemblance to anything described in Schlosser's book." When I read that I just said to myself, "now where have I heard that before?"

--------------------------------------------------------------
Zombies, Unicorns, Devils, Sea Monsters, Satyrs, Dragons, Six Winged Angels, Gods, Demons, Witches, Astrologers, A walking & talking snake, Magical fruit, Talking donkeys, human headed six-winged beasts, Ghosts. All that stuff is in the Bible and yet they tell me it"s not mythology?

Support us Just click the links below and your donations will make a difference here.
 
Shadowself
| Move to Top | Move to Bottom
 
1#



Registered: 01/16/2004
Time spent: 1773 hours


(Date Posted:08/19/2005 20:07:00)

Started reading the book earlier this week, and am halfway through it.  If there is any good reason to become a vegetarian, this is it.  I am shocked at the way workers are treated, the conditions they have to put up with, the psychology aimed specifically at kids in advertising, the harsh profits-over-safety attitudes of business owners, unsanitary slaughter house conditions--and I haven't even mentioned the gross "what's really in your hamburger" chapters yet.   And it's not just fast food we have to worry about; it's also what's sold at your local grocery mart, and school lunches (remember jokes about bad cafeteria food?  We somehow knew the truth even as kids.).

Some quotes from the empire builders themselves. 

" We have found out...that we cannot trust some people who are nonconformists....We will make conformists out of them in a hurry...The organization cannot trust the individual; the individual must trust the organization."(page 5)--Ray Kroc, one of the founders of McDonald's, in regard to some of his franchisees. 

"The essence McDonald's is embracing is 'Trusted Friend'...'Trusted Friend' captures all the goodwill and the unique emotional connection customers have with the McDonald's experience...Our goal is to make customers believe McDonald's is their 'Trusted Friend'.  Note: this should be done without using the words 'Trusted Friend'....Every commercial should be honest...Every message will be in good taste and feel like it comes from a trusted friend."(page 50)--corporate memo introducing the "My McDonald's" campaign.

 "We have a saying at this company...Our competitors are our friends, and our customers are our enemies."(page 143)--President of Archer Daniels Midland.  This company was found guilty for conspiring with foreign rivals to control the international market for feed additives.  They and their co-conspirators (read "competitors") may have overcharged farmers (read "customers") by as much as $180 million.

"If we eat McDonald's hamburgers and potatoes for a thousand years, we will become taller, our skin will become white, and our hair will be blonde."(page 231)--Den Fujita, eccentric billionaire who brought McDonald's to Japan.

Of course, tricky advertising and global corporate conquest are not the exclusive domain of fast food companies.  But it's certain that I'll be more severely affected if I eat hamburger tainted with e coli than if I am enticed by manipulative ads to buy overpriced jeans from an international mega-business--and thus, am more likely to seek out change in this area of my life, as a start.  Only time will tell if this type of muckraking publication will influence public behavior; today the lines still look long at the drive-in windows.  Guess other things are more important to people than being incensed about finding out you're really dining on poo-poo burgers--and doing something about it.

--------------------------------------------------------------
A big revelation in my professional training was that humans can learn skills for living and relating. We don"t have to be desperate for a miracle of God to make us decent.--Marlene Winell

Support us Just click the links below and your donations will make a difference here.
 
Drummond
| Move to Top
 
2#



Rank:none
Score:0
Posts:1566
Registered: 03/03/2002
Time spent: 0 hours


(Date Posted:08/21/2005 10:23:37)

Here's a good site for alternative meat if you aren't ready for the veg commitment.

The Meatrix

--------------------------------------------------------------
From American Splendor

Student to Harvey Pekar: "It"s hard enough trying to convince people that socialism is a good thing without basing your argument on some abstract theory of human nature. Plato tried and failed. Fourier tried and failed. Marx tried and failed. Sartre tried and failed."

Harvey Pekar: "Well maybe I c"n learn from their mistakes."

Support us Just click the links below and your donations will make a difference here.
 
Hop to: 
<<Previous ThreadNext Thread>>
Page 1 / 1    

Quick Reply
Title:
Comment:
Ubb Code Allowed
HTML CodeAllowed
ImagesAllowed
Subscribe and be notified via email.     Allow signature     
Sign Up | Create | About Us | SiteMap | Features | Forums | Show Off | Faq | Help
Copyright © 2000-2008 Aimoo free forum All rights reserved.