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(Date Posted:09/18/2005 09:07:11)
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'should' christians use a gun/weapon or is this againsta faith in god?
By all means - Christianity has a long and proud heritage of association with firearms.
And swords, spears, catapults, thumbscrews, racks, various torture devices, dunking stools, burning faggots, you name it.
All of these have been employed by christians in the furtherance of god's word! praise be! Halleluliah! Pass the ammunition!
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(Date Posted:09/19/2005 03:53:41)
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Christianity has a long and proud heritage of association with firearms.And swords, spears, catapults, thumbscrews, racks, various torture devices, dunking stools, burning faggots, you name it.All of these have been employed by christians in the furtherance of god's word! praise be! Halleluliah! Pass the ammunition!
when you put it that way - I ask myself what fuckwit would ask such a question?
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(Date Posted:08/16/2007 20:08:09)
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Christians have also regularly eaten carrots and other vegetables, cows, sheep, deer, and other meat, have used medicine and gone to the doctor, have voted in elections, etc, but I doubt if you will swear off any of these just they have been used (or misused, as the case may be) by Christians.
err... o...k... Talk about irrelevant. 
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(Date Posted:08/17/2007 01:34:07)
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err... o...k... Talk about irrelevant.
Agreed, but that was the point that I was trying to make. The person who made the quote was saying that because Christians misused weapons, it would be stupid for him/her to also use them.
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(Date Posted:08/17/2007 04:07:32)
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Agreed, but that was the point that I was trying to make. The person who made the quote was saying that because Christians misused weapons, it would be stupid for him/her to also use them.
No, they weren't saying that. I think you misunderstood.
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(Date Posted:08/17/2007 10:35:04)
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No, they weren't saying that. I think you misunderstood.
Hmmm. I went back and re-read the messages. You are correct. Sorry.
I was in a bit of a hurry and didn't read too carefully. I do hear goofy arguments like that from time to time.
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(Date Posted:08/17/2007 20:00:38)
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I do hear goofy arguments like that from time to time.
You're not wrong! 
So do you have a fundamentalist worldview..and believe owning guns is okay because of the way you've interpreted the bible means your 'god' says its okay?
and to quote your web site..'
"Logical Reasoning Based on Biblical Principles"
That sounds like an oxymoron to me!
What do you mean by 'misuse' of a weapon...? ...
Do we have the right to resist crime and evil government if they are a judgment from God?
What's 'evil'?.......................Who does the judging?
What's this.....quotes your webpage...
III. Application to today's situation
- The Second Amendment is based squarely on God's Word.
God has used his people armed to accomplish his will. He has given personal blessing on his people forming armed and trained militia groups to accomplish his will. He has personally blessed his heavily armed people using their weapons to defend themselves.
What, then, should we make of efforts today to disarm us? Obviously, it is contrary to God's Word.
Those who are disarming us can be easily compared to the evil people in the 3 examples above: the evil kings would have disarmed Abram if they could have, so he couldn't have stopped them from plundering; the enemies of Nehemiah would have disarmed them so they could have stopped them from rebuilding the walls; Haman and those who wanted to kill the Jews would have disarmed the Jews so they could have slaughtered them all.
We can conclude that disarmament, gun control, and present efforts to ignore or rescind the Second Amendment are contrary to God's Word, and are the work of evil doers bent on destroying God's people, stopping God's work, and accomplishing other evils.
Let's stand together to protect and restore the blessings God has given to us as Christians and as a nation, including the Second Amendment.
Building a better (american) Christian Nation? I don't think so...The 2nd amendment wasn't bible based.
Someone help me out here...I'm not even an american I know that's garbage.!
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So do you have a fundamentalist worldview..
"Fundamentalist" can sometimes be a pejorative term. I prefer to refer to myself as someone who believes the Bible.
and believe owning guns is okay because of the way you've interpreted the bible means your 'god' says its okay?
To some extent. The Bible is one of the influences. To be sure, if the Bible said owning guns was wrong, I would not support gun ownership. And, I think what the Bible says about gun ownership is fairly clear for anyone who approaches the subject with a reasonably open mind--it isn't just "the way [I've] interpreted the [B]ible to mean." I'm also influenced by having grown up in the countryside with firearms. Then, of course, there is the influence of the Second Amendment of our US Constitution, and all the thoughts from those who founded our country.()
and to quote your web site..'
"Logical Reasoning Based on Biblical Principles"
That sounds like an oxymoron to me!
Fair enough, but probably that's mostly your personal distaste for the Bible, not a logical argument.
What do you mean by 'misuse' of a weapon...? ...
Probably the same as your definition: harming someone who should not be harmed.
Do we have the right to resist crime and evil government if they are a judgment from God?
What's 'evil'?.......................Who does the judging?
I honestly don't think we disagree on this point, at least to the extent that it applies to self defense: an evil person is someone who is coming to harm you.
What's this.....quotes your webpage...
Keep in mind that that was part of a sermon given in a church. It was catered to them, not to people like yourself who would not accept what the Bible says, or who would not accept principles taken from the Bible.
III. Application to today's situation
- The Second Amendment is based squarely on God's Word.
God has used his people armed to accomplish his will. He has given personal blessing on his people forming armed and trained militia groups to accomplish his will. He has personally blessed his heavily armed people using their weapons to defend themselves.
What, then, should we make of efforts today to disarm us? Obviously, it is contrary to God's Word.
Those who are disarming us can be easily compared to the evil people in the 3 examples above: the evil kings would have disarmed Abram if they could have, so he couldn't have stopped them from plundering; the enemies of Nehemiah would have disarmed them so they could have stopped them from rebuilding the walls; Haman and those who wanted to kill the Jews would have disarmed the Jews so they could have slaughtered them all.
We can conclude that disarmament, gun control, and present efforts to ignore or rescind the Second Amendment are contrary to God's Word, and are the work of evil doers bent on destroying God's people, stopping God's work, and accomplishing other evils.
Let's stand together to protect and restore the blessings God has given to us as Christians and as a nation, including the Second Amendment.
Building a better (american) Christian Nation? I don't think so...The 2nd amendment wasn't bible based.
Can you show me where I said: "Building a better (american) Christian Nation?" The Second Amendment benefits everyone equally: athiest and Christian alike.
When the Second Amendment was written, they didn't sit down with just a Bible and come up with it (although they could have done so, using the book of Esther, and several other books). The Second Amendment grew out of their experiences with the British. You can read the Federalist Papers for good discussions on the militia and the Second Amendment.
Someone help me out here...I'm not even an american I know that's garbage.!
You know it's true but you don't have any evidence for it? Hmmm. What would you tell me if I said something like that?
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