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(Date Posted:09/09/2003 19:21:57)
This is me registering. With one question, where do we put suggestions?
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(Date Posted:09/09/2003 20:23:04)
Checking in for duty, sir.
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St. Thomas
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(Date Posted:09/09/2003 21:53:19)
rhiana, (and all others)
Please post suggestions, comments, or ideas in this area just like you would post anywhere on the forum. You have full posting rights. So, either reply to an existing thread or start your own. Please feel wild and free and creative. 
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"If your beliefs are written in stone, your mind is made of rock."
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Dok
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(Date Posted:09/10/2003 05:09:51)
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Every time you lay off an American worker you also lay off an American consumer.
When you export jobs you also export the ability to pay for goods manufactured for the American market.
Let's not vote for Bush again this year.
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(Date Posted:09/10/2003 07:30:20)
Volunteering to be merely decorativ-, useful! Have some great links on arab freethinkers to contribute.
website stuff. got any ideas?
I tend to be very clean on the design stuff. But here's my real link, tell me what ya want me to do.
pag's professional self
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Fermez ta bouche et mangez tes fritures de liberté.
"Unless we each conform,
Unless we obey orders,
Unless we follow our leaders blindly;
There is no possible way we can remain free."
Major Frank Burns
"People are like glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light from within."
-Elisabeth Kübler-Ross
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rhiana
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(Date Posted:09/10/2003 11:56:14)
This is what I have so far, not much I'm afraid, I wasn't 100% sure what exactly I was looking for, but hey, onwards and upwards! Tally-ho!
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STUMPY: Perhaps in the US we wear our religion as badge/symbol of status, perhaps
some unknown/seen superiority thing, stating who we are, what we believe.
I come from home each parent different denomination. Mother argued, that
I be brought up in her religion.(WHAT A MISTAKE!) Did the obedient daughter thing and when left home, left that religion behind.
This has always had its price. Mother could't realize this was her faith,
religion, worked for her, answered her neeeds but not mine. As of yet, haven't found that which stuck. Am not a 1st generation anything.
This also, causes a little conflict as you get lumped into "heathten/oddity" pile.
Never saw faith as pair of shoes-"nice fit!"
Perhaps clear fogginess a little...............?
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COFFEE: About the shoes. Most people do what Cinderella's step-sisters did and try to cut off a piece of their foot to fit the faith. Then they go around lame but have the idea that as Cinderella's step-mother said, "When you're Queen you won't have to walk anymore."
Coffee
ALAIN: For a "1st" generation adherent to leave, it is more like having egg on one's face; admitting that one was wrong.
For the 2nd/3rd generation, it is breaking with tradition and striking out on a new path. This can be difficult especially since fundy parents often view their primary role as ensuring their children keep the faith.
http://www.aimoo.com/forum/postview.cfm?id=319472&CategoryID=11636&ThreadID=33862
http://www.aimoo.com/forum/postview.cfm?id=319472&CategoryID=11636&ThreadID=38787
A page giving advice about telling friends/family, suggestions for easing the pain.
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Voltaire
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(Date Posted:09/10/2003 22:40:44)
Checking in. I suppose the first 2 things we have to decide about are what web hosting service to use and what development tools to use. It'd be nice to use a revision control system so we could coordinate development activites.
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Zombies, Unicorns, Devils, Sea Monsters, Satyrs, Dragons, Six Winged Angels, Gods, Demons, Witches, Astrologers, A walking & talking snake, Magical fruit, Talking donkeys, human headed six-winged beasts, Ghosts. All that stuff is in the Bible and yet they tell me it"s not mythology?
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(Date Posted:09/10/2003 23:15:49)
Checking in. I'm happy to be involved.
Not everyone who walks away becomes an atheist, support pages about different Christian approaches and other belief support groups eg Sea of faith might be helpful.
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There is no fire like hatred, no rushing river like craving, and no snare like illusion. Buddha
Random thoughts at
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paginity2
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(Date Posted:09/11/2003 01:28:23)
Reply to : Waynus
Not everyone who walks away becomes an atheist, support pages about different Christian approaches and other belief support groups eg Sea of faith might be helpful.
Excellent reminder, Waynus. I have a selection of Gnostic philosophy links along with a few former christian, now pagan types. How about a few of those?
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Fermez ta bouche et mangez tes fritures de liberté.
"Unless we each conform,
Unless we obey orders,
Unless we follow our leaders blindly;
There is no possible way we can remain free."
Major Frank Burns
"People are like glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light from within."
-Elisabeth Kübler-Ross
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(Date Posted:09/11/2003 08:07:25)
Reply to : paginity2
Excellent reminder, Waynus. I have a selection of Gnostic philosophy links along with a few former christian, now pagan types. How about a few of those?
I agree, sometimes people think not being fundy is to abandon spirituality. Really it just opens up lots of options to express our humanity.
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There is no fire like hatred, no rushing river like craving, and no snare like illusion. Buddha
Random thoughts at
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(Date Posted:09/11/2003 10:48:28)
Present.
I've been a little overloaded by real life lately. I'll try to keep up, but I have a heavy trial schedule this fall.
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From American Splendor
Student to Harvey Pekar: "It"s hard enough trying to convince people that socialism is a good thing without basing your argument on some abstract theory of human nature. Plato tried and failed. Fourier tried and failed. Marx tried and failed. Sartre tried and failed."
Harvey Pekar: "Well maybe I c"n learn from their mistakes."
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(Date Posted:09/12/2003 06:13:21)
OK, I'm in. I know I don't post much, but the ifas.org site was very helpful in me walking away. I completely support what this forum stands for, and would love to be a part of making this a reality.
Voltaire wrote: "It'd be nice to use a revision control system so we could coordinate development activites."
Do you mean a Content Management System to easily control the site itself? Or something more like CVS so different people can be working on the site and submit changes without creating conflicts?
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I judge all religions by how long I have to wait until they tell me about the spaceships.
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rhiana
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(Date Posted:09/12/2003 13:59:07)
I've just realised one problem with me doing anything that involves 'creating' something with a computer. I have no idea what I'm doing, at all, even the words, clueless me. I can be the idiot who makes sure that whatever you create is very simple to use though. If I can do it, anyone can.
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Voltaire
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(Date Posted:09/15/2003 06:10:58)
Reply to : rhiana
I've just realised one problem with me doing anything that involves 'creating' something with a computer. I have no idea what I'm doing, at all, even the words, clueless me. I can be the idiot who makes sure that whatever you create is very simple to use though. If I can do it, anyone can.
If there's one thing a website needs is people to test it out and give feedback to those that are doing the development. There's plenty you can do in that department.
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Zombies, Unicorns, Devils, Sea Monsters, Satyrs, Dragons, Six Winged Angels, Gods, Demons, Witches, Astrologers, A walking & talking snake, Magical fruit, Talking donkeys, human headed six-winged beasts, Ghosts. All that stuff is in the Bible and yet they tell me it"s not mythology?
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rhiana
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(Date Posted:09/15/2003 10:41:39)
At least there is plenty of room for clueless people to be involved. Consider me the idiot-proof tester. lol
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(Date Posted:09/15/2003 16:39:22)
Rhiana,
Don't worry about being clueless with the computer. We need CONTENT more than we need technical expertise. Just scribble your ideas into a word processor and post it here (or just post it here right out). We need your creative mind unplugged!! 
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"If your beliefs are written in stone, your mind is made of rock."
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(Date Posted:09/18/2003 05:29:00)
Link Lieutenant reporting for duty ( a little late).
My skills: I've got a lot of links. I'm good at organizing things into categories. I also have rudimentary html ability.
So far I've been gathering websites and books together for the links page.
1) Rhiana -- thanks for checking links. I've noted the errors and will correct them.
2) Paginity -- if you have more non-fundy theist sites let me know the links.
3) Whoever is good at design and layout -- give me suggestions (or copy my code and change the look!). Dok's feedback is that my link table-of-contents is too crowded and hard to read. I also want feedback on whether my cute little clip arts are helpful or just stupid and tacky. (I had fun with them, but maybe got carried away).
4) If anyone is familiar with any of the links and/or books and thinks they are BAD resources and shouldn't be included, let me know (I haven't previewed everything).
5) Brakthepoet, I have no idea what you're talking about, but it sounds neat and technical. I was thinking we should try to keep our links updated and delete links whenever they become dead (nothing more annoying than dead links) -- does yor witchcraft, I mean, management system thingies help with that?
6) St. Thomas -- love the skeleton. Looks good. I've got no other comments -- just wondering if the books I have linked to on the link page should be moved to the articles and books page (even if we haven't reviewed them).
Everyone please go to the links page and give me feedback (by going to the WA project forum and looking in the thread on the website.)
Thanks, Lauren
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So what do I have to do to get you to admit who is speaking?
Admit it and change everything!
This is your own voice echoing off the walls of God. - Rumi
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foxmaiden
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(Date Posted:09/18/2003 06:17:59)
Hi again,
Have just updated links page to fit into St. Thomas's skeletal format. I think the new way I laid out the table-of-contents looks easier to read now. Again - view it here
http://www.laurenlewis.com/WA%20links.html
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So what do I have to do to get you to admit who is speaking?
Admit it and change everything!
This is your own voice echoing off the walls of God. - Rumi
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(Date Posted:09/18/2003 15:42:44)
Lauren, great stuff. I might only suggest that you may consider seperating it on more than one page. Eventually, I assume that this page of links is going to grow (and grow and grow). As folks scroll down, they get farther away from the original navigation buttons on the left side.
Speaking of those navigation buttons. Please, Lauren (and everyone else!)... what do you think of those listed areas?
Introduction
Advice and Help
Community Forum
Articles and Books
Other SItes and Info
This is what I came up with after culling through lots of your ideas and suggestions. But, are they sufficient??? Lauren has a ton of great stuff that can be plugged into most of these areas already. I just want to be sure that this is the format/skeleton that we want before I start hanging stuff on it.
Lauren, you asked about the books and articles. I do think that books and articles should have their own section. I am actually thinking of having the actual articles themselves (as opposed to just reviews or links) in this section. I suppose - unless we intend to have an entire book online- that this section will actually be WHOLE articles and book REVIEWS.
The links section that you created will be for ... well.. LINKS only (with brief annotations to the links as you already have). Lauren, is it okay if I take some of the information from your page for a seperate page on articles and book reviews (or you could actually do it yourself). Thanks.
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foxmaiden
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(Date Posted:09/23/2003 04:32:18)
Hi St. Thomas
Go right ahead and move anything you think appropriate to the Books and Articles page. The books are obvious, but some of the links are to sites that have articles on them -- you may have to browse around to find out which are which.
As for dividing it into more than one page, I will get to that this weekend probably.
I think your navigation titles are great.
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So what do I have to do to get you to admit who is speaking?
Admit it and change everything!
This is your own voice echoing off the walls of God. - Rumi
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(Date Posted:09/23/2003 06:45:25)
Reply to : foxmaiden
5) Brakthepoet, I have no idea what you're talking about, but it sounds neat and technical. I was thinking we should try to keep our links updated and delete links whenever they become dead (nothing more annoying than dead links) -- does yor witchcraft, I mean, management system thingies help with that?
Yes and no. My dark magic would be there to manage internal links within the site, and to keep the content organized and easily tracked. Managing links to external pages wouldn't be part of a CMS, but there are some programs that can help with that.
And I'm looking at a way to create "breadcrumbs" so people can see where they've gone. (breadcrumbs = Home > Links > Science & Religion > Dawkins [if you've ever noticed stuff like that at the top of some sites]) It's not necessary, but it's a nice touch.
A word of warning, though: we need to be VERY careful of what content we post on a permanent site. Printing full copyrighted articles in a forum isn't legal, but no one really does much about it unless the forum is one of the top 200 busiest or so. We need to be sure to secure permission from the authors before putting them up. I don't want to see some lovely fundy come after us with the DMCA just because they don't like what we're doing. In contrast, though, it's perfectly legal to link to whatever we'd like, so we can go link crazy. And all the original content in the world can be posted, and I think we have some pretty prolific and quality writers right here at Walk Away.
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foxmaiden
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(Date Posted:09/24/2003 04:19:08)
Printing full copyrighted articles in a forum isn't legal
OK, so St Thomas maybe you should only post the links to articles in the "Books and Articles" section or maybe we should leave them in the links section where they are now. We could include only WA members writings (with permission) in the articles section.
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So what do I have to do to get you to admit who is speaking?
Admit it and change everything!
This is your own voice echoing off the walls of God. - Rumi
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(Date Posted:09/24/2003 09:51:28)
Reply to : brakthepoet
And I'm looking at a way to create "breadcrumbs" so people can see where they've gone. (breadcrumbs = Home > Links > Science & Religion > Dawkins [if you've ever noticed stuff like that at the top of some sites]) It's not necessary, but it's a nice touch.
This would be wonderful. It's so helpful when you're navigating around an extensive site with lots of different categories.
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(Date Posted:10/01/2003 16:16:14)
checking in and showing my interest. i have SO MUCH to catch on so i will just chip away until i am up to speed.
i want to be of assistance in content as my proffieciency on the tech side of things amounts to very little.
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