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(Date Posted:08/02/2009 15:28:41)

I moved away to the Ex Christian website a couple of months back as there wasn't much going on there and got daily digests by e-mail.  Everything was going OK but it being an ex christian rather than ex fundy website there was much more demanded of members.  There were trolls however.

However in the past few days somebody posted a very nasty and sarcastic piece on becoming a christian and making sweeping generalisations about christians not thinking, using capital letters when posting on-line, witnessing in gay bars, purchasing fire arms and owning Smart cars so they're not tempted to have sex in the back seat.  I pointed out that the rant was a sweeping generalisation and not all christians were like that and in fact some of the attributes were just as likely to apply to non christians.  I found it particularly offensive as my in-laws, who are Presbyterians, are over here staying in a hotel and they are among the sweetest people I know; welcoming me into their family when my brother has taken this lackadaisacal attitude towards me. For this I got attacked and called names and even accused of being a troll.  I answered back and found a gang of four or five of them were ganging up on me.  I did fight back as hard as they fought me. 

BTW my brother's attitude towards me is appalling.  I got wind of his wedding through my parents and he didn't even formally invite me.  When I phoned him asking if I could come he replied nonchalantly that I could if I wanted to.  Not even a 'yes, do come, I'd love to see you there'.  Whereas my sister in law keeps nagging me to come and visit I have never done using a fear of flying as an excuse.  I know I won't be welcome by my brother is he takes that attitude but my sister in law assures me that he doesn't know how to express his feelings.  When it comes to my birthday and Christmas my sister in law is the one who sends the cards.  She trusted my brother to send the presents but I ended up getting the Christmas presents later and later in the following year so in the end I stopped sending them. He does very little without being prompted by my sister in law.  She says he's a good father but that is because he does exactly when he's told when it comes to the children.  I'm beginning to wonder if my brother has Asperger's syndrome or genuinely hates me because of a fight we had in our teens and that our parents like to keep reminding us about so I don't forget it.  But that's another story.

I mentioned that I was not an atheist.  One even suggested I was a christian still.  I replied that you didn't have to be an atheist to be an ex christian.  Then I got attacked for suggesting the site was for atheists only.  I let them know I was an agnostic and then one of them told me that agnostics were believers.  I disagreed about that and even gave them the Collins dictionary definition of an agnostic.  There was a lot of splitting hairs and circular logic; exactly what you expect from the worst of evangelical and fundamentalist christians and I let them know that.  In fact somebody else agreed with me.  Now I'm banned from the site for sticking up for myself.  I found it sucked anyway as everybody is expected to offer platitudes to the person who posts a testimony or rant and parrot the comment above.  It seems that there is a set way of thinking to these people just as there is for fundies.

The fundies make sweeping generalisations about secular people and fundamentalist atheists make sweeping generalisations about christians forgetting that there are liberal christians and that christians vary from denomination to denomination and from country to country.

The funny thing is that this morning on a BBC discussion programme one of the topics was about atheists being intolerant.  One christian girl was constantly being labelled as soft minded and sneered at with contempt by atheists.  Others on the programme were told by fundies they were going to hell.  Which is worse?

Ex fundies must not fall into the same trap that fundies fall into no matter what are present beliefs are.  Fundamentalist atheism makes me sick just as much as fundamentalist christianity and Islam.


(Message edited by Chirpy On 08/02/2009 23:56:52)
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Re:Ex christian website
(Date Posted:08/13/2009 21:34:33)

Eh? online bullshit - where would the net be without a lot of whinging and complaining! Hahaha...Some of the terms or labels people come up with?!...in regards to religion or anything related to religion (which includes a non belief or skeptism) its full of shit too imo....People like to judge.
Wtf is 'fundamentalist atheists' ?
For me...I'm happy to be labeled 'intolerant' at times....I will not go along with what I see as being flawed or even dangerous within the board category of religion - christianity or any other brand for that matter.
Nah...I don't "PUT UP" with it anymore. (for the oneones' sake)

but yeah....some of these ex xain sites  can be fucked up but I guess people have the right to be angry as all get out - after being involved with christianity (which btw is far from perfect or clever). I think basically its a stage people go through - childish shit.

Families are not perfect either. Its hard work even without the extra strain of differences in beliefs/values.

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RE:Ex christian website
(Date Posted:08/23/2009 10:33:29)

Yeah I suppose nobody can be completely tolerant.  Even the most tolerant liberals are tolerating islamic fundamentalists and therefore allowing their atrocities to happen.

I was accused of being a dissident from the time I joined but I simply don't see everything exactly the same way as they do because I come from a different country.  For example if they generalise about christians I would disagree with it as I see a different generalisation.  However UK evangelicals are becoming more like US evangelicals every day.

Our friend Richard Dawkins has been labelled as a fundamentalist atheist by the press.


(Message edited by Chirpy On 08/23/2009 10:35:18)
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Re:Ex christian website
(Date Posted:09/16/2009 21:29:35)

Around this neck of the woods....ya never hear of RickyDawkins - nothing in the press at all. For me, he's more of a online celeb.

What I cann't stand in some forums is that ..if you disagree or don't want to tag along with being ever so impressed by these 'celebs' (whoever it is - could be a moderator) ..they all seem to shit on you. Yeah...its bullshit!
Good on you for sticking up for yourself and being true to yourself. Its this sort of groups pressure that is 'fundamental' to fundamentalism...and perhaps ordinary christianity.


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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God

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RE:Ex christian website
(Date Posted:11/07/2009 17:01:40)

The oddest thing was they were behaving just as the worst of fundies were; labelling me with a mental illness (that's happened to me quite a few times by fundies), expecting group think, expecting me to read their minds and making generalising and negative assumptions.
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