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snakechic
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(Date Posted:07/16/2006 04:07:24)
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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.
-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God
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(Date Posted:07/16/2006 08:46:43)
Reply to : snakechic
Jesus Camp.. the moviewatch an exerpt here.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTscmx3q5Z4
Holy crap.
Yeah, I remember dancing sessions like that. Even when I was a willing participant - of sorts - I still felt like getting up and hitting random people. It just made me want to go postal... it still does.
The ten year old chick says she doesn't give Brittney spears any thought because they sing about boys and relationships. Does everything they sing have to be about God. Isn't love good too. Fine if you don't want to listen to Brittney though, but hey, I'm sure God gets sick of songs about him all the time. That's gotta be bad for his ego.
They really do hate Harry Potter hey? But what gets me is they seem to believe Harry Potter actually exists. Like there are underground schools of wizardry where kids learn spells and how to hate Jesus. Where are all these fucking wizards and warlocks they're so scared of? Because I'd truly love to meet one and see his tricks. That'd be neat. "If Harry were around in the OT times, he'd be put to death"!? - he doesn't exist now either ya f'cken dimwits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcbJ9no1ut4 ha did u see the cursing black preacher. Shit, that shits too funny fool! sheeyittt allaylooya. He dances too, ya gotta love that.
OH oh oh... and here's some mormons getting violent when hit by waterbombs. hahahahha hmmm, great this youtube is gonna keep me up all night. classic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqQyPdEeW7g
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(Date Posted:07/16/2006 18:53:11)
Jesus Camp.. the movie
watch an exerpt here.....
I think the most important phrase from this movie was that blonde lady saying "the devil goes after the young...." 
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Zombies, Unicorns, Devils, Sea Monsters, Satyrs, Dragons, Six Winged Angels, Gods, Demons, Witches, Astrologers, A walking & talking snake, Magical fruit, Talking donkeys, human headed six-winged beasts, Ghosts. All that stuff is in the Bible and yet they tell me it"s not mythology?
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(Date Posted:07/16/2006 18:58:16)
"If Harry were around in the OT times, he'd be put to death"!? - he doesn't exist now either ya f'cken dimwits.
It's young children that supposedly can't distinguish between fantasy and reality. Evidently the Harry Potter hater hasn't figured out how to do this..
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Zombies, Unicorns, Devils, Sea Monsters, Satyrs, Dragons, Six Winged Angels, Gods, Demons, Witches, Astrologers, A walking & talking snake, Magical fruit, Talking donkeys, human headed six-winged beasts, Ghosts. All that stuff is in the Bible and yet they tell me it"s not mythology?
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(Date Posted:07/17/2006 10:01:45)
Shut up! You take that back! Harry Potter DOES TOO exist!!!! :P
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snakechic
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(Date Posted:07/18/2006 01:59:35)
The penticostals sure do know how to throw and good camp party.....
The bit in the vid (which was kinda mild after all those photos and I gather the full doco would be very 'enlightening  ) that jiggled my juices was the kids been taught about the ENEMY OF GOD!
The Enemy of God...is such a common theme in all denominations of christianity. Its so sad when people - kids are demonised when they don't follow along with it. ...or are taught to fear. Oh well - kids will get so used to hearing it.........its been used in all kinds of messages including the top political platforms!...(do I have to say ...nah)
but..."Ohmygawd" (said in a Lebonese accent)........the "US & THEM" story put to pop music. (strange that....)
& all that BRAINWASHING!.......I don't understand when christianie type parents believe in all sincerity that the right thing to do is let the kids decide for themselves what to believe when they are older...meanwhile its okay to send them off the sundie school. *shrugs*
but the thing that gets me most about the link , the doco, and the photo's is that the Penties (in this case) are PROUD and using the WEB to advertise their fine 'works'. ( Isn't that a sin)
& I'd hate to think what they are hiding or less proud of! *shudders*
& and is the internet utilised by the christian - in a much more aggressively,colourful & broard way than stuff like this chatroom ...warning and informing about the pitfalls - and the effects of the extremists methods used by christian groups all over the planet. I don't even like to use the term 'fundamentalist' any longer......you can't really tell anymore. The old fundy would not have used the WEB in this way.?
Long live Harry!
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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.
-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God
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(Date Posted:07/24/2006 16:28:35)
Sigh, I went to camp every year until I was sixteen. Its where I learned to "hear gods voice", learned to "speak in tonques", learned to "walk in the spirit" and all that crap. It was a phenomenal experience to feel like you are in the presence of god. Its also allot of hocus pokus that makes you feel horrible if you can't experience the same thing.
One year I wasn't feeling to holy, and I wasn't having the great experience everyone else was. When my camp councellors noticed, they all talked to me about opening up to the spirit. NO! It wasn't catholic camp so no inappropriate touching took place. But I was made to feel as though I was some how preventing god from working in me. I later had a phenomenal experience with god just like everyone else.
The point is that there is allot of peer pressure to be and do like everyone else. If you ain't getting the god, you ain't getting the good so to speak. When you don't get the same "blessing", supernatural crazy blessing, then you must be doing something wrong. This pressure is what we call, in the real world, brain washing. And with kids, its all to easy.
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Re: Jesus Camp ......
(Date Posted:08/02/2009 00:04:49)
I myself think when a person child or adult are not experincing the Holy Spirit like everyone else is no one has the right to make that person feel like their doing something wrong.they should be encouraged that God does things in his time.To keep believing and keep trusting in the loving God.Gods ways are not our ways and his thoughts are not our thoughts.Ask him to give you strength to hold on until you recieve it no matter how long it takes.IT WILL HAPPEN.God is faithful always.
Hold on to Gods hand he'll never let you go even if you let go.
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snakechic
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Re: Jesus Camp ......
(Date Posted:08/20/2009 20:39:47)
"IT WILL HAPPEN."......Haha...that sounds like a Colgate commercial! ?
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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.
-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God
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