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snakechic
Topic :   The McCain Family Bible

http://www.ep.tc/mccain-bible/

HELLO HISTORY ENTHUSIASTS ... ABOUT THE 1934 GEORGE BUSH JOHN McCAIN TIJUANA BIBLE
Snippet from introduction: This item arrived to us through the chanced purchase of a box of random undetermined documents - belonging, we were told, to the recently deceased Millionaire Huntington Hartford. (wiki and obit) The still-sealed box, purchased from a dumpster diver who fetched it from the curbside trash outside Mr Hartford's Bahamas residence last month, arrived without ceremony or description at our steps last Tuesday. We had purchased it for scrap ... upon further review we soon realized that within this box of unimportant personal effects and aged letters there was, in fact, a very important piece of political history. By complete accident we had stumbled upon the hiding place for one of the most coveted political comics of all time: "OBLIGING LADY" - the 1934 Tijuana Bible long sought after by historians as the oldest known document to feature George Bush and John McCain


08/27/2008 01:39:58


snakechic
Topic :   Sex...still sells

Okay...

http://www.sa.org/

Sexaholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share their experience, strength, and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover.

The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop lusting and become sexually sober. There are no dues or fees for SA membership; we are self-supporting through our own contributions.

SA is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization, or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy; neither endorses nor opposes any causes.

Our primary purpose is to stay sexually sober and help others to achieve sexual sobriety.*

Sexaholics Anonymous is a recovery program based on the principles of Alcoholics Anonymous and received permission from AA to use its Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions in 1979.


Don't tell me....I know...Its the work of the Devil.


08/27/2008 00:16:31


snakechic
Re :   Making judgment calls about what pornography or even tastelessness is.

pity I can't find that 'Sin discussion' christian forum

anyone heard of it?


08/27/2008 00:11:11


snakechic
Re :   Guilt - sharing it around.




Reply to Guest (08/25/2008 14:49:56)
I would very much doubt that his community would have any trust in him at all after this. As it's so public he can't run away either. If there are fans who don't see the truth, then that's their error, and not his.

'Fanaticism' is always bad. Hence this site I thought.

Pornography is bad no matter how you look at it (there's a pun there :)). To look at a person as merely flesh robs them of sex. It robs the viewer of sex too.

Here's a great book: Sex God by Rob Bell

The reported behaviour of 'his community' is more of the same...in that he is still  the focus of their 'prayers' and remains a role model to them. An inspiration.

Here it is again...http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24212817-5006301,00.html
While many in the church were embarrassed by the betrayal, others showed support on Facebook, where a page titled "We are STILL praying for you Mike Guglielmucci" was set up yesterday.

And...I agree
It is their error ...but he and  the office /  role of   Pastor encourages that kind of    'trust'....blind obedience, submission  and loyalty.  That's pretty much the general plan within christianity - the Shepard - the sheep.

Yes..'fanaticism' is a concern but I think 'fanaticism' is encouraged in some social systems ..particularly religious beliefs - blind faith. There's also imo..a connection in todays' (&   in the past) political climate  and particularly evident in the 'change you can believe in' Obama. That kind of emotional attachment is a worry to me   - when people say they 'trust' a politician, it become irrational thinking.

I don't agree with you that anything including Porn   is "always' BAD....... - That is illogical.   I think that is the way its defined by most christians. 
What is Pornography to me may not be so to you. I find violence as in the images evoked by the horror of a crucifiction on a cross as was custom to be unpalatable ....also the imagery of 'hell' and many such common symbols within christianity.
Lets not forget that what is inferred in discussions about Porn = MASTURBATION which is a 'normal' and natural part of an individuals sexuality.



Robbing people of intimacy can be also due to a focus on an imaginary friend rather than real live people...and spending too much time sitting on a pew waiting for 'god' to send them a partner..rather than getting experienced and practising relationship building skills.


"Book"...so here is an alternative to the the 'fallen' pastor ...a new Billy G. ? Am I supposed to have 'faith' in him too?

*laughs*...

there will always be a new Shepard to replace  ....its a good and lucrative job and provides 'job' satisfaction - rewards such as fame and fortune..............which is most likely what had poor  Pastor MIke   (of this story)    is so  hooked up in  and addicted to. Not porn.


...

Oh and one the main spin offs  to stories such as these -  imo...they are used as marketing tools by other christain denominations to point fingers and SELL their version of the 'truth'.....

Bottom line...b


08/26/2008 19:51:25


Guest
Re :   Guilt - sharing it around.

I would very much doubt that his community would have any trust in him at all after this. As it's so public he can't run away either. If there are fans who don't see the truth, then that's their error, and not his.

'Fanaticism' is always bad. Hence this site I thought.

Pornography is bad no matter how you look at it (there's a pun there :)). To look at a person as merely flesh robs them of sex. It robs the viewer of sex too.

Here's a great book: Sex God by Rob Bell


08/25/2008 16:49:56


snakechic
Re :   Guilt - sharing it around.

Using the same old guilt trip...Pornography 


  He is swapping one health condition - cancer for another christian defined 'illness' of porn addiction. I would guess he has been conditioned and brought up within this kind of complex and dysfunctional culture - which heavily relies on irrationality to explain the world. It seems its working for him to get out of a tricky situation and still get his 'fans' to pray for him. *sick*




08/25/2008 07:04:30


fartypants
Re :   Guilt - sharing it around.

What's wrong with the sheep's attitude? If they had hung him you'd be the first to shout at their un Christian act.

Forgiveness is the best they can do right now. The law should deal with the legal issues, and they should all seek to make sure wrongs are answered. I'm sure they will.

Personally I've never heard of the bloke.

People throw rocks all the time. The rock throwing is as bad as the crime.


08/25/2008 04:30:57


fartypants
Re :   Pastor M. Guglielmucci spun a gospel of lies

and apparently being a christian doesn't help a person much.

No. Your ignorance is quite shocking.

Sad...?
I'm also not surprised by your attempts in sounding self righteous.
 
There's nothing at all self righteous about my comment.

Heartless attacks?
that is also  so predictable  - a typical christian fundie attempt at laying a judgement

Fuck you.

Utter rubbish. Just because you've got no opinion you try and label everything so that you can attack the label.


08/25/2008 04:16:30


snakechic
Topic :   Guilt - sharing it around.

typically the poor sheep is full of it.


IT took 11 days before an Adelaide pentecostal church exposed the details of pastor Michael Guglielmucci's fictitious battle with cancer.

Danny Guglielmucci, the father of the fallen pastor and founder of Edge Church International at Reynella, told his faithful followers yesterday the church went public at "our first opportunity".

The man at the centre of the scandal that has rocked the church, also spoke publicly for the first time yesterday. But his words only came in a written statement, which claimed the reason behind his fictitious cancer story was to hide his 16-year obsession with pornography.

"For over 16 years, I have struggled with an addiction to adult pornography. As a result of this secret life of sin my body would often break down," his confession began.

"Two years ago, I reported that I was suffering from cancer. The truth is that although I was ill, I did not have cancer but was again using the misdiagnosis to hide the lie that I was living."

The fallen preacher was a Christian superstar, who said God inspired his hit song Healer. The song became an anthem of faith for believers, many of whom donated money to the Guglielmucci cancer cause.

The church said it was unknown how much money had been raised deceptively through websites, preaching and song sales.

When asked by The Advertiser if he would go to the police, Danny Guglielmucci said he was seeking advice from church lawyers, but that an audit of accounts was taking place.

Danny Guglielmucci also said that the first he knew of his son's web of lies was on August 13. Three days later, a meeting of the national executive of the Australian Christian Churches was convened at which his son confessed because of a dream of Jesus on the cross looking down at him saying "the truth will set you free".

At that meeting, a strategy was decided including seeking medical and legal advice. Michael Guglielmucci also agreed to take part in one exclusive TV interview, to be shown tonight.

It was only after a brief email from Hillsong Church in Sydney, which produced the hit album featuring Healer, was obtained by The Advertiser last Wednesday that church followers were finally allowed to know that the cancer was a lie.

The reason for that lie – Michael Guglielmucci's addiction to pornography – was exposed yesterday.

Danny Guglielmucci stood before 1200 people packed into the former indoor cricket arena for forgiveness, but maintained that he and the church had acted ethically.

"I have led you with openness and integrity and declare that we have not lived a lie before you," he said, before receiving a rousing ovation.

Michael Guglielmucci remained in hiding yesterday and is receiving psychiatric help.

Despite the betrayal, forgiveness was the catchcry for an overwhelming majority of those at yesterday's service.

"Obviously it was the wrong thing to do, but I'm proud that he's come out and admitted it," said 18-year-old student Daniel Sutherland.

  http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24236206-5006301,00.html



08/24/2008 20:44:18


snakechic
Re :   Pastor M. Guglielmucci spun a gospel of lies

Well ...his bosses didn't have much choice but to recognise the Criminal element of his actions and have sent him off to the POlice.  WHat else could they do to save face.

I also wonder about the kind of 'help' he intends to get. Professional or more of the same - christian based counselling that relies on 'prayer' and the "head in the sand" philosophy that says 'all are sinners'.? and 'what do you expect'....

It is a concern to me that not only did his family and friends failed to question him about his messy bone cancer for 2 long years...

.but that  a good part of the christian  internet congregation are still following along  in   line at the facebook pray support shit. Anything... so the poor sheep don't have to face what is going on within their ranks and the frightening possibility that ITS all built on smoke and mirrors and lies.


check out the video here....http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24212817-5006301,00.html



PASTOR Michael Guglielmucci has been told by church officials to report to police, who will investigate what has happened to money raised during his cancer deception.

The Australian Christian Churches told The Advertiser yesterday that it was auditing Mr Guglielmucci's bank accounts, which included money donated from people touched by his hit song Healer.

Mr Guglielmucci confessed his two-year fraudulent cancer battle at a national executive meeting of the ACC on Saturday, and was stripped of his credentials.


Edge Church International's executive pastor Jonathan Fontanarosa said Mr Guglielmucci had "made it clear that he is not sick".


  "But we're waiting on further investigation to find out the full truth," he said. "The church is in shock .  .  . we were totally unaware of the situation."


 


It was decided at Saturday's meeting that a statement would be read on Mr Guglielmucci's behalf at churches around Australia this Sunday.

But an email sent on Wednesday from Sydney's Hillsong Church detailing the hoax was obtained by The Advertiser.


It also said Mr Guglielmucci's wife and family were unaware of the deception. The Melbourne-based preacher is in Adelaide, but has gone to ground.


His parents, who founded Edge Church International, an Assemblies of God church at Reynella, are assisting him while he seeks professional help.


The ACC has promised that all money raised deceptively will be returned or donated to charity.


The Assemblies of God, Australia's largest Pentecostal movement, adopted its new name of Australian Christian Churches in 2007.


The former pastor with one of Australia's biggest youth churches, Planetshakers, inspired hundreds of thousands of young Christians around the world as he performed with an oxygen tube in his nose.


Healer became an anthem of faith for believers, many of whom are suffering illnesses and were praying for Mr Guglielmucci.


The song, featured on Hillsong's latest album, debuted at No.  2 on the ARIA charts.


In a YouTube video, he tells how the news from the hospital that he had "quite an aggressive form of cancer" inspired his song. "I just went home. I knew I had to go home and needed to get alone with God," he says in the video.


"I walked into my studio at home an



08/24/2008 20:29:44


snakechic
Re :   Pastor M. Guglielmucci spun a gospel of lies

and apparently being a christian doesn't help a person much.

Sad...?
I'm also not surprised by your attempts in sounding self righteous.
 
Heartless attacks?
that is also  so predictable  - a typical christian fundie attempt at laying a judgement

Fuck you.


08/24/2008 19:50:43


fartypants
Re :   Pastor M. Guglielmucci spun a gospel of lies

[quote=snakechick]



Anyone surprised by this betrayal?

This is a criminal act - A white collar crime.




[/quote]

Surprised that a Human being isn't perfect - of course not.

It's a sad story of a persons need to deceive. That you think it's an opening for heartless attack compounds the sadness.


08/24/2008 05:27:52


snakechic
Topic :   Pastor M. Guglielmucci spun a gospel of lies

 

By Kim Wheatley

August 21, 2008 12:57am

Article from: The Advertiser
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  • Pastor told congregation he had cancer
  • Recorded hit song Healer to inspire people
  • He's a fraud - but he's getting help

HE  preached to thousands about his terminal illness and tugged at hearts with a hit song.

The problem is the pastor wasn't dying at all

Michael Guglielmucci, who inspired hundreds of thousands of young Christians with his terminal cancer "battle", has been exposed as a fraud.

Guglielmucci, whose parents established Edge Church International, an Assemblies of God church at O'Halloran Hill in Adelaide's southern suburbs, now is seeking professional help.

Earlier this year, Mr Guglielmucci released a hit song, Healer , which was featured on Sydney church Hillsong's latest album.

The song debuted at No. 2 on the ARIA charts.

It since has become an anthem of faith for believers, many of whom are suffering their own illness and were praying for a miracle for Mr Guglielmucci, who has claimed for two years to be terminally ill.

In one church performance that has attracted 300,000 hits on YouTube, he performs his hit song with an oxygen tube in his nose.

It appears Mr Guglielmucci, who was a pastor with one of Australia's biggest youth churches, Planetshakers, may even have deceived his own family.

"This news has come as a great shock to everyone including, it seems, his own wife and family," Hillsong general manager George Aghajanian said in an email to his congregation yesterday.

"Michael has confirmed that he is not suffering with a terminal illness and is seeking professional help in Adelaide with the support of his family. We are asking our church to pray for the Guglielmucci family during this difficult time."

The Advertiser was told last night Mr Guglielmucci may release a statement on the situation.

The Australian Christian Church said Mr Guglielmucci's credentials immediately were suspended once he told the national executive that his cancer claims were "untrue".

"The national executive is taking this matter very seriously and is awaiting the results of medical tests before determining the full extent of the discipline that will be imposed upon him," vice president Alun Davies said.

"We are very concerned for the many people who have been or will be hurt by Michael's actions.

"We encourage all of our churches to pray for all those affected."





Anyone surprised by this betrayal?

This is a criminal act - A white collar crime.



08/21/2008 19:31:15


fartypants
Re :   Reply To snakechic


YOu are still anonymous..!  silly...



Well...I do think that xianity is "  wrong"   in that it makes promises to people that it cannot possibly fulfill - take the 'heaven' / 'hell' trip.....there is no proof or certainty

I don't believe in either in 'that' sense - I should confess - very unXtian of me dontcha fink?

They're right here, right now, and that is also the majority position of it in the big book thingy. You can be living in Heaven, or living in Hell.

and as far as I'm concerned the whole thing latches on the 'reality' of people getting the right to some authority to judge and persecute....and define who is 'evil' and who is not....

Definition helps. If you're gonna be a twat about it, no that doesn't help. (not you - other ppl)

It largely is based on fear.

Agreed. That's the work of twats tho'.

THe love bit is so conditional...take the father sacrificing his son for the weekend  to make a point? the concepts are violent...exploitative etc...

No that's badly wrong - 'everybody knows' (as Blue Cow says ) that Gods love is unconditional - that's the point - it's totally illogical otherwise.
PEOPLE's love can be conditional... that's BAD tho'.

I do think it causes more harm than good in the world.  If you compare christianity to other large religions ...it doesn't stack up very well.

meh - Islam comes pretty close. Depends where you read your facts, but anyway - I agree with you








08/15/2008 08:26:25


fartypants
Re :   Reply To snakechic

Ah...so you are suggesting that being a christian for you, is how you become 'truelly happy'. - because you're safely in a lottery pool
to think you have 'ever lasting life'...
?

Well you win the prize - which is the potential to be happy in a way not possible without

Does that ring your bell?

Sure does!

Okay - its your life.

Yup

Does anyone know if there is a lottery prize? what are you actually betting on?

Very long odds I hear. Mainly it (the real thing) is a ticket to dissatisfaction with your life and what it can be, sorta hopelessness you pay for --- but that's another subject!!!

HOw does it make you feel..to know that there are people around the place, who don't want to buy into your game.
That I think its silly...

It makes me sad. You wouldn't see that, coz you don't look through my eyes.

...here ...take a look ...

See? - people not living up to their potential. Sad innit?!

I'm being serious. I'm me, you are you (incisive huh!? ). We look at stuff differently.


08/15/2008 08:14:10